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Clinton continued: “I am pleased that others are also joining in making clear that his rhetoric, his demagoguery, his trafficking in prejudice and paranoia has no place in our political system. Especially from somebody running for President who couldn’t decide whether or not to disavow the Ku Klux Klan and David Duke. So people can draw their own conclusions about him.”
Nice! She didn’t call him a racist…she merely dog-whistled it.
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Interesting just how different the debates are. On one side you have moderators asking gotcha questions and candidates agreeing with each other and sparring politely. On the other, you have moderators lobbing softballs and candidates making dick jokes.
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Good move, name calling is childish and helps Trump. Just let Trump keep saying stupid stuff, don’t stoop to his level.
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I am burnt out on the election right now. This made me feel better:
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Have another:
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Ahh, Daddy Barack, the baby whisperer…thanks, these were just what the doctor ordered. Okay, now back to the most abysmally moderated debate in history – oh, maybe not yet…
LOL!
It definitely had a very different tone, didn’t it?
I can’t help thinking however, that is either candidate was fluent in Spanish, this would have gone a whole lot differently tonight.
But neither does, and both seemed quite uncomfortable with being there at times. Which is, IMO, part of a bigger Democratic problem. We are taking the Hispanic vote for granted, instead of seriously making outreach.
This year we are more or less letting republicans hang themselves with Trump, because what Hispanic is going to vote for that? But it goes much deeper than that. We basically cleared the stage for Rubio to take the spotlight on the Senate immigration bill. The House killed it, but if they had had an ounce of sense, they would have passed it and republicans would be running right now as the party that go immigration reform passed.
We still don’t get to make that claim.
Obama IS the deporter in chief. We all shake our heads in disbelief about deporting 11 million people…Obama has deported over 2.5 million, which while smaller…is still one hell of a big number.
We need to seriously get on the ball here, and get on board with where the Hispanic communities are at on their important issues. They ARE the fastest growing segment of our population, after all.
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Well, I think both candidates are doing better on that score than you seem to, including opposing the administration’s deportation policy (which really is inexplicably bad). Certainly Hillary did quite well on that score in Nevada (which is in the South, did you know that? Jeff Weaver just told me). But yes, all Dems need to make sure they don’t just coast on the GOP’s ugliness.
But I don’t think fluency in Spanish would have helped this debate – I swear Bret Baier’s questions weren’t as egregious. I hadn’t realized that Jorge Ramos was such an a-hole…
Yeah…nothing was going to help with Ramos.
But just imagine when that woman from Honduras asked her question and if Hillary were able to pop off a short response in Spanish, before reverting back to English to give the fuller answer.
The bigger problem going on however, is while they were willing to show opposition for Obama’s deportation policy, and support for comprehensive immigration reform…Ramos was pushing for much more. So much more that its just not palatable to rest of the country.
So they get caught up in walking this tightrope, which makes for a bad optic for the Univision viewers.
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True; though from the audience reactions I think they may have walked it better than you think. Now if only he could have gotten her to say she’d quit if she’s indicted…
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You know, one of my confessions is I am one of those people who just doesn’t pick up additional languages easily. For whatever the reasons, my brain just doesn’t seem to be wired that way. I can struggle through trying to piece together a few words and figure out the general gist of what someone is trying to say in Spanish…
…until the go off on that rapid fire thing that Ramos and the crowd translator do. Then its just noises to me, I can’t pick out a single word.
Me, I used to be fluent in French, and comprehension’s still good (it was all coming back after a few days in Quebec); but much as I love the language and culture, I’m forever kicking myself for not having taken Spanish. I’m a New Yorker, fercryinoutloud; it’s been our second language for decades. Idiot…
I learned German…I lived there growing up for 3 years and took it in HS and college. At the University of Florida.
And now I am BACK in Florida. So yeah…my German doesn’t come in real handy.
In my defense, by 2nd generation Cuban roommate in college failed Spanish. So I didn’t feel that bad about not learning it. Plus he taught me all the dirty words.
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Should be useful for listening to speeches in the state legislature.
The numbers mostly reflect a procedural change for people apprehended close to the border.
A closer look at the numbers finds one important positive and one important negative. I’ll post a link to an LA Times article that runs through it better than I could, but the main points are:
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Deportation numbers are up, because those apprehended near the border are now booked for immigration violations and formally deported. Previously, they were bused back across the border and counted as voluntary repatriations.
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Apprehensions and deportations of people established further into the country are down, and a larger portion of those deported have criminal records.
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The change in processing for those deported near the border creates a criminal record that works against them on any return entries into the US (see #2, for example). Most “amnesty” proposals have ruled out those who have criminal records. It would take a much different Congress to get any “amnesty” through, much less any that ignored previous immigration violations on the record.
Read the article – I’m mostly just parroting it.
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