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Parents cannot give their children fake weapons for play. Kids used to play with cap guns. Kids can’t do that now; it’s too dangerous.
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Please stop saying Tamir Rice reached into his waistband. In the grainy video, we see his hand move downward. However, it happened so quickly, it is not possible to tell what he is actually doing. The officer who jumped out of his car had his gun out and ready to fire. He is clearly to blame.
Additionally, one must ask why the police pulled up right next to the gazebo. If they truly felt he was a potential danger, why not pull out further in the street with the car facing the gazebo, using the doors for protection. Why not use the loud speaker to tell him to put his hands up?
The cops actions were highly irregular. For instance, watch how these Michigan cops handle a drunk with a real AK-47.
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They talked to that guy above for over an hour and yet they had to kill this kid knowing that the 911 calls said it was an air gun. Fuck these trigger happy police.
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It definitely is, but police have to do better than they are doing especially since the posted video here shows a totally different handling by the cops of a white man brandishing a high powered rifle. They handled it properly because the guy is white. If he were black he would have been dead instantly.
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Did he forget the incident is on surveillance tape? Unreal.
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Actually they were not told that by the idiot dispatcher. But that still in NO way excuses driving right up to the kid and shooting him within 1 second. There were no other people in the video I saw, so the kid posed no threat even if the gun was real. You assess the situation first. Morons.
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I’m very bothered by the father’s final comment. His imagination, with the lighter, doesn’t go to “what if I shot the unarmed man”, but “what if he actually did have a gun!” He’s placing a near-death experience onto himself, when in fact, it was the other guy who had the near-death experience.
This national conversation is going to take awhile.
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I don’t know if that is a fair statement here. These are different cops and a different situation. The cops in Cleveland might have been dumb enough to drive right up to this guy and shoot him too, who knows. And the cops in this video might have been smart enough to assess there was no danger in the Cleveland situation, and proceeded with caution.
Ever see the white guy here get wasted by cops when he did nothing. Cops lied, video showed it. His color was not relevant it seems.
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If you feel your life is superior to that of others…that you have a right to preserve it at the expense of other lives…you are not of the right psychological makeup to be a cop.
A lot of this mess is sociological. We have exulted cops to the level of super people. They are worth more than us. Their life is worth more than ours and if we lose our life in order to keep one of them alive that is something we should accept without complaint. That holds if the loss of our life was unnecessary and if we never posed a threat to the cops life. As long as the cop is OK…the rest doesn’t matter.
Go to a Walmart toy isle. There are guns all over the place there. Toy guns. Some look real…those are the ones kids want. Parents…if you buy one of those for your kid he can die with it in his hands if a cop has a “feeling”. A cop can kill your kid in your front yard if he drives by and mistakes that 1/2 size plastic replica of an M16 for a “gun” and “feels” threatened. It doesn’t matter if your kid is 6 years old. The cop has a superior life. He matters more than your kid and if that child dies needlessly in order to satisfy the “feelings” of a cop you should be happy. The cop is OK…that’s all that matters.
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Sir, if this is the best your son can do under an arguably stressful situation. He should not be a cop. Stop him before he kills again.
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No they weren’t. That’s S.O.P. for how they are taught to react to a black person with a gun…not just by their police training, but by society in general…movies, the MSM, tv shows, etc.
For instance, watch how these Michigan cops handle a drunk WHITE PERSON with a real AK-47.
FIFY
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Mostly because the MSM is helping the conservatives in their quest to prevent any dialogue and poison any that occurs.
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Kid gets shot for playing with a toy that looked real. Sigh.
I suppose his parents should’ve just given him one of the real ones made to look like a toy to get the kids hooked:
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“I was there! He was still black when I shot him!”
blurts the white cop.
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Bingo, I had to read that twice because it was such a moronic thing to say.
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The first part is correct, but the “that you have a right to preserve it at the expense of other lives” is not. Police are entitled to the right of self-defense just as much as anyone else. They have families and kids and are regular people just like the rest of us, and they do risk their well-being and lives on a regular basis as a regular part of their job.
In fact, because of the inherent risks involved with police work, they are trained to react quickly to certain telltale signs, certain movements, gestures, and other things that tip them off to a threatening situation. Reaching for the waistband is a big one, for example.
That doesn’t mean what happened here is right. A lot of this comes down to proper training. There is no way it makes sense to pull up right next to the kid or person when told by dispatch that they have a gun. Escalation is almost guaranteed.
So, what you have are cops well-trained on being the quickest gunslinger in self-defense, but not well-trained in preventing situations from escalating to the point where they need to be the quickest gunslinger. Bad combo.
Already setting up the innocent of murder plea.
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The video says your son is a lying killer.
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WRONG! You ALWAYS have a choice…even if the options are so unacceptable so as to not be considered. but you ALWAYS have a choice. Unless, of course, the cop and father are making existential arguments about free-will and the existence of a supernatural creator…wait…are they? now i’m confused. shoot…i’ll just say he was a fearful KKKop who saw a black kid with a toy gun for 2 seconds.
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