Discussion for article #230972
“In carrying out that program, we did not always live up to the high standards
that we set for ourselves and that the American people expect of us.”
Apparently, mistakes were made.
jw1
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I feel rectally fed.
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Starting with GWB’s SCOTUS appointment to the throne.
Followed by 53M stupidf^ckingAmericanvoters returning him to the White House.
This is on you ®-voters.
jw1
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Obama should fire him immediately.
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Please know: Republicans I know say: “Of COURSE we tortured the bastards!! As we SHOULD!!”
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Thanks Dave.
I’m already incensed.
Now I’m going to have to destroy this pastrami Reuben.
jw1
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Mistakes were made early on because they hadn’t figured out the whole torture thingy. Now they’re better prepared to not make the same mistakes.
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It makes you wonder why the CIA went to such lengths to hide the use of these legal, highly effective techniques that saved so many lives.
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Not sure what else you can expect to hear from a spook.
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“The most serious problems occurred early on and stemmed from the fact that the Agency was unprepared and lacked the core competencies required to carry out an unprecedented, worldwide program of detaining and interrogating suspected al-Qa’ida and affiliated terrorists,”
Fuck this guy. He basically just argued that the problem was that they needed more practice torturing people in order to more effectively hide it behind a thin, sterilizing veil of faked medical appearances.
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If torture were truly justified by “saving lives”, then I’m sure its defenders will agree we did not go far enough. For example, why not torture randomly chosen people in the U.S.? Somebody might know something! And why stop with waterboarding? We should line up the suspect’s family and start shooting them. If he knows anything, he’ll talk! And that will save lives … well, some lives. And why limit ourselves to torturing to save lives from terrorism? What about torturing, say, drunk drivers? Or restaurant workers who don’t wash their hands? Save lives!
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Someone dropped the balls
Oh Hey!!! another form of torture!!!
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My life wasn’t saved by torture.
Yours?
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Rather, better prepared to not get caught.
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The CIA totally missed the fall of the Soviet Union. They didn’t warn that Saddam was going to invade Kuwait in 1991. They totally missed the disarray that his WMD programs were in. This gang can’t even torture up to international standards.
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Interrogation does save lives.
Torture does not—ever.
And any government employee who refers to America as “our Homeland” should be summarily fired.
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Our review indicates that interrogations of detainees on whom EITs were used did produce intelligence that helped thwart attack plans, capture terrorists, and save lives. The intelligence gained from the program was critical to our understanding of al-Qa’ida and continues to inform our counterterrorism efforts to this day.
Following up on a post I did yesterday, let me give everyone a free (and thus worth what you’re paying for it) lesson on “How to Read Things the Way a Lawyer Reads Them.”
Note well, that he does not say that torture EIT’s actually produced useful intelligence. Instead, he says that interrogations of prisoners who had been tortured upon whom EIT’s had, at some point, been used yielded actionable intelligence.
And the thing is this is yet another in a string of carefully honed statements we’ve gotten from the CIA that seek to lead those willing to believe it that they’ve been told that torture produced actionable intelligence while simultaneously leaving open the possibility that that intelligence was actually collected from them before the torture began or after it ended.
And, the the thing that makes this really important is that we have multiple reports indicating that we got actionable intelligence from captured high level detainees in interrogations conducted both before and after they were tortured but I have yet to hear of single piece of actual, actionable intelligence that was obtained from an interrogation conduced while a prisoner was being tortured.
The real argument being made here, and carefully preserved by those in the Langley chapter of the Future War Criminals of America Club, is that torture “softened these guys up” and made the amenable to answering questions once the “good cop” came back into the room. And the problem there is a) it’s unknowable, and b) the guys who actually know how to conduct useful interrogations, the FBI interrogation experts who were called in early, obtaining actionable intel, and then quickly tossed out because Dick Cheney wasn’t having any of this goddamn dirty fucking hippy mollycoddling and wanted torture porn for his sick little library in the safe, said it was counterproductive.
But more importantly is that, once again, they’re still, and likely quite successfully, trying to get us debating whether it works rather than whether it’s a crime against the laws of war and a crime against humanity.
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“As a result of these efforts, including the many sacrifices made by CIA officers and their families, countless lives have been saved and our Homeland is more secure,”
Prove it, you lying POS.
And just what sacrifices made by CIA officers is he referring to? Overtime to get in another waterboarding? Having to endure the screams of the people they are torturing?
And why is it that every time I hear one of these sick fvcks refer to the “Homeland” all I can think of is Hitler?
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I thought that was implicit.