Discussion: Carl Icahn Steps Down As Informal Advisor To Trump

The only thing, and I mean the ONLY thing, that Carl Icahn cares about is adding to the enormous pile of greenbacks that he already has. If he is exiting the Trump train wreck, he has determined that none of the special deals that he was hoping to make with Trump’s backing are going to happen. And he wants to distance himself from the ongoing mess, just as the other advisory council members already have done.

What should be causing Trump terminal heartburn, is that all of those deep-pocketed donors are now searching for the next candidate to try to corral, and his or her name ain’t Trump.

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Old news but interesting to look at if like me you didn’t pay much attention to Donald back then because you thought Hillary would be president.

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He didn’t quit for any high-minded reason. This article explains it all.

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Ds are poor and middle class whites, black, brown, urban. You need to find another party which knows how to do these things.

All these people need clean water to drink, breathable air, safe food and drugs, bridges that don’t collapse, roads that don’t crumble, and an effective response to epidemics/pandemics. These are very basic things that until relatively recently even most Republicans grudgingly acknowleged were necessary to safeguard. That’s no longer the case, and fashioning an aggressive, hard-hitting, and relentless platform on these alone isn’t hard. Why Jon Ossoff didn’t pound the GOP and Handel and Trump every day during his campaign about the proposed budget cuts to the CDC—which is in Atlanta, fer chrissakes—is mystifying to me.

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They could start by having some bolder D programs. If you look at the Press page for the DNC

From a persuasive communications standpoint, the DNC website is a galaxy of missed opportunities.

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Ossoff’s district was not ours to win and he gave Handel a good run for the money, making her and the party spend a lot more than they would have. There was however a district in Iowa that just voted in a Democrat in a district that went for 45 by 22 points and nobody’s talking about it, just our loss.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/08/09/a-win-in-rural-iowa-has-democrats-talking/?utm_term=.05f74c3bbe9d

When the other party lies to the people that these things will be provided anyway,
and has no compunctions about lying,
and has media arms that will declare that these lies are actually truths,

to say “well we actually stand behind those things, and those other guys are lying” is likely to be derided by many as “oh poo poo the Democrats don’t stand for anything other than Republicans are bad”.

It’s hard to beat a lie with the truth. It’s comparatively easy to beat the truth with an appealing lie. We will always be playing a harder game than Republicans, so long as we care about honesty and they do not.

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In my most cynical moments, I sometimes think Ds want to fail.

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Trump called Icahn “one of the best” and indicated that he might be in charge of negotiating U.S. trade deals.

“If I put Carl in charge of Japan, ‘Carl, handle Japan trade deals,’” Trump said. “It’s over, just walk away, let him run the — oh, forget it. They even know that they don’t have a chance. OK? It’s over.”

Same BS over and over and the baboon supporters lap it up. He’s the best, knows only the best, hires only the best. He makes a few faces, emotes a bit, gestures, spouts a lot of hot air and they hoot and holler. Never once thinking , " did he lay out a plan?" Always dismissive and undercutting the ‘other side’ ( " they don’t have a chance") , still buying into the belief that trump and really the USA can just bulldoze over everyone and everything.

I wish a reporter would match up all the initial praise he had for everyone who’s subsequently left his cabinet and councils and ask him specifics about how he will handle things now, did he err(!) in bringing them on, etc. etc. You know, after we hear about the size of his crowds and crooked Hillary and the major slaveowners celebrated by his enemies but hated by very nice people who are upset today that the monuments to their heroes are unfairly targeted for removal.

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