But according to this law and many on this forum, paying attention to you lover’s body language and mood doesn’t mean consent. Consent has to be verbalized, dumbass!
You are 100% correct. If the standard is you can only engage in sex if your partner verbalizes consent, then we are all, those of us who have actually had sex that it is, have been guilty of having sex without consent at sometime in our lives.
if I sound a little rapey to you it is because you are an idiot who can’t engage in a discussion without personal attacks.
You’re right, a smart person would have been able to truly appreciate your subtle turn of phrase, like when you said “especially when the victim […] can’t remember whether or not they consented.” Yup, nothing mildly rapey about that sentence. I think we all have a funny story or two about waking up next to a woman with a bleeding orifice and bruises on her wrists, then having a rational conversation with her about whether or not I raped her, …, because you know, she didn’t actually remember. those funny broads, But don’t worry, in every situation deep down I always know that she really wanted it, …, why else would she have dressed like that, right?
So I apologize for being an idiot, and apologize for my personal attack. You are completely correct, absolutely nothing you wrote or implied at all indicated that you probably did horrible, horrible things in your past. You’re right, sometimes women just ‘forget’ that they gave you consent, and then you have the ‘he said, she said’ problem that seems to occupy a lot of your mental energy. .
And to re-iterate my initial point, if the woman is so drunk that she is mid-blackout, then any sex you have with her (whether she consented, or um, forgot that she consented) is going to be really, really bad. Here, as part of my apology to you for calling you a rapey-rapey-dirty-rapey-rapist, I’ll throw you a free tidbit of knowledge: the best sex is always with a conscious girl who can actually participate. I know, it is a subtle difference, but trust me, it really cuts down on the need for the remember-you-consented-last-night-conversation in the morning.
The difficulty is not the desire to prosecute but the lack of evidence to prosecute. Many times, and I have investigated my share of sexual assault allegations, the victim can’t recall whether or not they gave consent, since many of the cases also include high levels of intoxication.
Obviously you have no clue abut the difficulty in prosecuting allegations of sexual assault. Why don’t you first get educated on the subject and then we can talk.
Thank you again for educating me. The issue really does sound simple. All we have to is give women a magic marker, and if they consent to sex, they just write “YES” on their hand. If not, then they just write “NO”. No forgetting, perfect.
Hmmm, your name and your last post imply that you investigated sexual assaults for the US military. It doesn’t surprise me that you came to the conclusion that women just can’t, dosh darn, seem to remember if they were raped or not. There is lots of documented information about how much the military covered up, lied about and hid rapes, fired women, and the military police outright threatened women to shut them up. The last two successive Secretaries of Defense openly admit that they could not change the rape culture because it was so firmly rooted. It doesn’t surprise me that the fall back story for someone in that culture is that women ‘misremember’ what happened, they forgot that they said yes, (forgot how much they really wanted it!!!). You know, they may have consented, they may not have, we’ll never know. Let’s just call it a draw.
Thank you for the education. I now see your comments with a new clarity, and they make much more sense.
And I don’t have any difficulty understanding how hard it is to prosecute allegations of sexual assault. But whether you get a conviction or not doesn’t change whether the crime happened the night before. If your concern is how hard it is to prosecute rape, the first step is to stop putting the onus on the women to prove she said no, and put it on the jerk-off to prove she said yes. And if he ‘can’t remember if she consented or not’, he goes to jail. That is exactly what the crime bill (the one you are so against) does.