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But…you’re an idiot.
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He sure is but can he get the nomination? He certainly seems to be picking up momentum and more and more black voters seem to be taking a liking to him and working for him. I guess as long as he can continue to raise money he can stay in to find out. I really like him and I like HRC too but I her negatives are freaking me out - and its the negatives with women that bother me the most - not so much young people. Needless to say it will conitnue to be interesting
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Bill, are you aware that he´s not anti-Islam?
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Hubris is the only chance republicans have to win the presidency and by coincidence, that might be the Dems’ actual presidential campaign strategy.
“I think the rules are out the window ‘til proven otherwise. We may revert back to politics as usual but until we do, doesn’t Bernie deserve the people who say, ‘Oh I like Bernie but he can’t be elected’ to shut up?”
Okies…is he willing to run ads for Bernie?
Now mind you, i could get into the 'Berniebros’ matter…
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Sanders’ vote against the Iraq war constitutes having done his job (Congressman, at the time) well in this instance. To me, that’s compelling evidence that he is also well-suited to his current job in the Senate. There’s a lot of other evidence to consider when judging whether he’s ready for another job. The Iraq vote is supporting evidence. His floundering on foreign policy in Thursday’s debate is refuting evidence.
For Clinton, the vote in favor of the Iraq vote is concerning. Her mastery in other areas, such as setting the conditions for the Iran agreement, is supporting evidence that she will be a great president.
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Well, here’s a question for the presumed new commander in chief: your application for conscientious objector status was denied, but you weren’t drafted (Vietnam). What happened?
And if this is an urban legend, some clarification would be welcomed.
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Because I always take my advice on presidential readiness from not very funny comedians.
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"…doesn’t Bernie deserve the people who say, ‘Oh I like Bernie but he can’t be elected’ to shut up?”
Well, that’s an easy question. The answer is NO. And I say that as a Bernie supporter. OF COURSE electability is an issue in the primaries – how in the fuck would it not be? The point isn’t that no one should talk about it, the point is that the conventional wisdom should be questioned, not ignored.
Oh, and by the way, telling people who like your candidate (and thus are exactly the kind of person you might hope to convert to a supporter) to “shut up” is probably not a great way to persuade them…well, at least not to persuade them in your direction.
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I’ll never forgive that idiot for his vote for Nader in 2000, let alone his incessant attack against Gore during that campaign season.
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As far as I’m concerned, the only thing liberal about Maher is his stance on weed. So he’s basically nothing more than a Paultard.
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Serious question: Since when has foreign policy experience been an important qualification for the presidency? I can only think of a handful of candidates who have had any, and they were not necessarily the best presidents. I am swayed by Bernie’s argument that judgment is critical, and his judgment on Iraq was better than Hillary’s, IMO.
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What about his votes on guns? Some feel Clinton’s vote on Iraq disqualifies her, but others may find Sanders’ votes on guns disqualifying. Neither side has the right or room to tell the other to shut up.
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He stated his support and confidence in Sanders so eloquently, how could I resist.
@tpowers
The world’s a smaller place than it used be with international events having more of an impact than ever before, so I prefer the nominee bring international experience and fluency in foreign affairs to the White House… In some ways it’s easier to get things done in foreign affairs than domestic largely because of our intransigent do-nothing know nothing Congress.
BTW, both Kerry and Biden voted the same way Clinton did, and I hear no criticism of them for having done so, even though they managed to make their way into Obama’s administration.
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I guess it didn’t occur to you to take a minute and try to find the answer to your own question? It took me about 30 seconds to confirm what I have previously read:
In addition to his civil rights activism during the 1960s and 1970s, Sanders was active in several peace and antiwar movements. He was a member of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and the Student Peace Union while attending the University of Chicago. Sanders applied for conscientious objector status during the Vietnam War; his application was eventually turned down, by which point he was too old to be drafted. Although he opposed the war, Sanders never placed any blame on those who fought and has been a strong supporter of veterans’ benefits.
(from his Wikipedia entry, not exactly hard to find)
By the way, in a recent anti-Sanders opinion piece in the Des Moines Register, a Hillary supporter says the same thing:
Soon after he turned 26, too old to be drafted.
More importantly, Bernie learned some crucial lessons from Vietnam, including (1) you don’t go to war unless you have a damned good reason, and (2) be very skeptical of sketchy intelligence reports that appear amidst the drumbeats of war and are used to justify a rush to war (see Gulf of Tonkin incident).
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Well, if Bill Maher says it, it must be right. Tho… I sorta remember Maher also telling us back in 2000 that Ralph Nader could win.
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There seem to be two very solid camps trying to establish position among Democrats right now:
Camp A - Bernie can’t win.
Campb B - Hillary can’t lose.
I’m not sure either is true, so for now, I’m just waiting to see how things unfold.
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Pretty much all you need to know about Bill Maher is he’s BFF with Coultergeist.
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