Can we all just get a grip about Hillary’s electability? Is it the email or is it Benghazi or is it pantsuits. She started with high likeability and high probables for being elected, and they’re simply not sustainable, so those numbers have come down as was inevitable. The Democratic convention is not until July 2016 and we have until then for her campaign to right the course if in fact it is off course.
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Doesn’t trolling start at 11 AM EDT?
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Reread my post. I used the word “if.”
So if anyone should “just get a grip”…
Beyond that, perception often matters more than facts, however unfair that is.
I really want Hillary Clinton to become the first woman president,
More than that, I want a very electable Democrat who can block the Repug insanity.
If that’s Hillary, great. If not, then that needs to be acknowledged early on in the process.
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I do wish someone would address Trump’s proposal in plain English…or Spanish, as appropriate.
He is proposing ethnic cleansing. Think 1930s when an estimated 1.2 million US citizens were deported without due process.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/05-06/bill/sen/sb_0651-0700/sb_670_bill_20051007_chaptered.html
8720. This chapter may be cited as the "Apology Act for the 1930s Mexican Repatriation Program." 8721. The Legislature finds and declares all of the following: (a) Beginning in 1929, government authorities and certain private sector entities in California and throughout the United States undertook an aggressive program to forcibly remove persons of Mexican ancestry from the United States. (b) In California alone, approximately 400,000 American citizens and legal residents of Mexican ancestry were forced to go to Mexico.(c) In total, it is estimated that two million people of Mexican
ancestry were forcibly relocated to Mexico, approximately 1.2 million
of whom had been born in the United States, including the State of
California.
Think Bosnia.
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I picked up on the date too but unless they looked it up, most folks wouldn’t get the time period correct.
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Barring the kind of thing that sank John Edwards, or some sort of crackup, Hillary Clinton is electable. In point of fact, even both Roosevelts surprised naysayers.
Some of the problem is our base (younger and more prone to shifts, or more intelligent and more prone to doubts, or more “sophisticated” and more prone to the-perfect-is-the-enemy-of-the-good) which may say, “Hillary is the SAME as Jeb Bush”.
I am not telling you anything you do not already know…
But it is a point of fact that, notwithstanding the fact that Baggerdom IS “dumb”, they know voting discipline, they know more about the government (the obstruction part, anyway) and whomever the ReThuggs nominate, they will hold their nose and vote. There is no way anyone can tell me that “Myth” Romney was the Bagger first choice, yet, barring the 47% video and a klownish debate performance, he had a shot at winning.
But back to the “workings of government”…so many of those who voted for Barack Obama had ZERO real awareness of the workings of U.S, Government…the Congress-heavy style of getting things done. This lack of education (which I blame on the Democratic Party apparatus and the MSM) severely cost the Democrats in 2010, when Obama, hamstrung by Senate Obstruction, was shown not to have a cape in his wardrobe. many younger voters became disenchanted and stayed away from the polls even more than normal.
So here it is:
The U.S. (Congressional Heavy) Government will go on with or without Hillary getting elected. Her being in there saves the SCOTUS and she does have a veto pen to stop things.
But, like people like Lessig know, this is a process…Hillary is an important part of it…and, unfortunately, the dumbest, most racist TeaBagger has more of a long view than so many of us.
It’s DEMOCRAT (whomever that would be) or The United States of Dystopia. Younger people have this one shot to save their world and it cannot be any clearer than that.
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It must be those cantaloupe calves I have…
You are a perfect example of someone who has been spoon fed by the right with fear and lies. Everything you said is a fabrication but they love folks like you who can be spoon fed without ever looking up the facts on your own,
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The big “if” with which Uncle Joe is teasing us. If the cynicism stays strong about Clinton, I’ll lose my grip at that time but not before.
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I don’t think Joe alone has the moral compass. But I do think that he’s got a great deal of political capital saved up, which would be better spent not on a candidacy, but on being somebody who can force the guiding principles.
The simple fact is that the alternatives in the 2016 election are pretty stark. We’ll either elect a Democrat, or we’ll elect a fascist.
From the sidelines, Joe can be very effective preventing the latter. Much more effective than if he was a candidate himself.
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It is the role for Joe. Except that he wouldl be going against bombastic hate spewed by the GOPers which the media loves to trumpet more than calming tones and basic morals.
SMH…why oh why can’t we just have him be POTUS in 2017…
Too bad it’s not their fault if HRC fails miserably to motivate them to get to the polls and vote. I’ve said it before and I’m gong to be a broken record on it: the biggest hurdle she faces is motivating turnout, and her current course of apparently trying to “triangulate” and pander to the “independents” and “undecideds” and “middle ground” is going to land us with a President Teatroll in 2017. She either stops with the effete intellectual carefully balanced rhetoric approach and starts appealing to real emotions and relating on a visceral level to the base that she’s taking for granted OR she loses miserably. And that’s not the base’s fault for not voting. It’s hers for not givnig them something to vote for. Period.
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No, dear—those are not facts.
Those are stupid right-wing memes that obscure the facts and make trolls like you hyperventilate and post bullshit on the interwebs.
When you actually have some facts to post, come on back and post 'em.
I’m guessing you’ll return in about 15 years.
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He has his own moral compass, and if he runs, I support him.
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While we’re at it, let’s blame those who pay protection money for losses caused by the mafia. After you’ve punished the employers who knowingly and intentionally hire undocumented immigrants to keep wages down, you can come back and talk about deportations. Until then, look in the mirror and STFU.
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Or just shake one’s head in sorrow. Of course, like Bobby Jindal said, this is all Barack Obama’s fault.
All the scare-mongering silliness you bleat about here seem to have American misdeeds at their core. American employers are soliciting foreign workers and aiding in their transport to the US. Americans are the ones demanding narcotic drugs - dealers are filling a market demand.
And statistics prove that the crime rate is far lower among immigrants than American citizens. Typically, undocumented workers are in a precarious position - they just want to keep their heads down and make a living.
Maybe you’re attacking the wrong end of the problem.
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I think there’s something pretty big here.
The other side is always reaching out to what’s worst in people. They try to play on the fact that people are afraid (Iran will nuke us!, crime is washing over nyc), or selfish (you don’t want to pay for other people to have health care), and even racist (pretty much everything they’re saying now).
I know this is kind of a vague point, but I think that when they do that, it actually strengthens those tendencies in the country. Conservative media definitely does. That’s one of the worst things about Bush’s administration – they led people in the direction of being more fearful, less decent, less compassionate. They made the country a worse place when they did that.
If we say this was pitch perfect, that’s true. But it’s not just about sending out the right tone and the right message that will resonate with people, and consequently help us win. It’s about how the messages we send out change the voters, about which direction the people are being led.
Abraham Lincoln used that great phrase, the better angels of our natures. I don’t think it’s just about rhetoric, and I don’t think I’m talking about that awful peggy noonan style jive. But we need leaders who will call on us to be better than we are. That’s exactly what Biden is doing here.
I don’t mean this as a Joe vs. Hillary thing. I mean it as a Joe or Hillary or Bernie vs. all of the candidates on the other side thing. But Joe laid it down in an especially clear way here.
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Jimevanhoe, I’m guessing you are a big fan of Texas, the state with the fastest growing economy. You do realize that entire economy is based on cheap labor, right? And what do you think keeps the price of labor down?
In the 90’s when, under governor Wilson, California passed draconian Anti illegal immigrant laws, prop 187, which turned the state blue forever, Texas Republicans rejected that idea, and kept Texas red. That allowed business owners, mostly Republicans, to continue to hire and exploit cheap labor. As a consequence, housing prices are the lowest in the country, and growth is the highest. Ask yourself who benefits from that? The same people who benefit when they eat the food immigrants, harvest…that is everybody.
You can’t add up all the costs of illegal immigration without factoring in all the benefits. When you do that, you are dishonest at best.
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