Discussion: Bibi's Fearmongering Was Red Meat For Iran Hawks—But A Dealbreaker For Democrats

I disagree with the former and think the latter is irrelevant.

this could change

Try googling “Deaths of Iranian nuclear physicists.” You might also try googling stuxnet.

They might as well have had “Curveball” give the speech.

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Bibi never wants any deal. It isn’t even about stopping any potential nuclear weapons program (or he would be supporting a robust deal with full inspection regimes and verification of same). This is about keeping the “mad mullahs” as an existential threat/boogeyman for the purposes of having a villain to inveigh against in order to keep power.

Bibi doesn’t want peace. It wants Iran to be Eastasia, and Israel has always been at war with Eastasia.

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The fact is that Israel, just like Iran or Saudi Arabia, is a theocracy, though with nominally democratic institutions. Because it is a theocracy in practice, if not in law, its aims will invariably lead to conflict with its non-Jewish neighbors. Israel has an inherent right to exist, but so does Iran— or Palestine. By ignoring these issues, the United States acts as a surrogate for a theocratic state whose aims will draw Americans into yet another war that will gain little while costing a lot. Netanyahu’s speech is the act of an agent of a foreign government, violating basic tenets of diplomacy and protocol. He and his speech should be seen for what it is.

Hope you’re right, and at the same time, it sounds like wishful thinking.

A democratic partner in theory, but an increasingly belligerent partner in practice. The West Bank settlements, and the ongoing incarceration of the natives— the Palestinians, the actual owners of lands occupied since the 1967 war— make a mockery of an idea of partnership.

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I know. We shall see …

While true leftists use the phrase “the Zionist Entity,” even the hardcore haters know “Eastasia” declared war on it from the outset and only two of their states have a peace treaty. Don’t worry, admitting such doesn’t lessen the contempt for it, so you’re safe.

If Israel were a theocracy, then it’s right-wing theocrats wouldn’t be trying to skirt it’s supreme court by passing the equivalent of a constitutional amendment defining Israel as a Jewish state and subordinating it’s democratic institutions to it’s Jewish character.

A democratic partner in theory, but an increasingly belligerent partner in practice. The West Bank settlements, and the ongoing incarceration of the natives— the Palestinians, the actual owners of lands occupied since the 1967 war— make a mockery of an idea of partnership.

There has been more tension recently. Some of the past few years of conflict between Bibi and Obama on this issue stem from of a US admin that is working for a peace deal, as a security and human right objective, and an Israeli admin that thrives of off the fear and instability of the status quo.

Israel is less of a theocracy than most of the other nations in the region.

Message from America to Bibi: Please leave town!

What did that word salad even try to say?

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Foremost on every American’s mind should be why the blowback from listening to the Israeli leader this time should be any less costly or destructive than how his advocacy of the war on Iraq turned out.

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There is one authentic no go zone in the United States. The Bundy ranch. Because the Feds temporarily seized some cattle off of land that isn’t even remotely Bundy’s. There’s no question it’d be all out warfare if the government tried to seize their house. Which is why I’m still sort of amazed that the Palestinians don’t get a little more empathy from conservatives.

Well, I wasn’t surprised to To see Obama flash all those secret Muslim signs, last week. Now, here’s Bibi with just a flat-out Sieg Heil on the House floor! What’s up with that?

And Mossad dismisses bibi --calls for his ouster and the voter shrugs about the speech…

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/27/mossad-binyamin-netanyahu-meir-dagan-israel

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/05/israeli-voters-unmoved-binyamin-neta