“We also know that we’re dealing with a situation that appears to be a real feeling that is worse than Watergate in many, many ways, in the sense that we have a President of the United States who lies about almost anything,” he said.
Here, let me fix it for you, Mr. Bernstein:
“We also know that we’re dealing with a situation that appears to be a real feeling that is worse than Watergate in many, many ways, in the sense that treason is worse than burglary” he said.
Well, since one political party is out to sabotage the country, yeah, it would feel worse.
Really? You mean Carl Bernstein just realized this? Some of us realized this quite awhile back. A foreign adversarial and authoritarian power subverting our democracy by colluding with an American Pr*sident, that they just so happened to help get in office, who also happens to believe in Authoritarianism…No, really?
Notice the qualifier he used…“could be”. Oy.
SMH.
Oh yeah, well, HER EMAILS!!! So there!!!
I’m not a big fan of the use of Watergate comparisons, but apparently the Russia thing si nothing because Clinton has THREE Watergate-level criminal scandals!!!
Just looking at that guy makes me want to punch him in the throat.
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Thanks, Captain Obvious. Yes, a foreign power conspiring to manipulate our electoral process is just a bit worse than a psychopath like Nixon trying to ensure his own re-election. If (and there is very little doubt in my mind) Trump and his cronies aided and abetted this effort, the word “treason” springs to mind. We are absolutely in the midst of a Constitutional crisis, and Donna Brazile’s little publicity stunt yesterday is not helping.
OK, do we really have to be condescending to Carl Bernstein, of all people, because while saying this may well be far worse than Watergate he describes unproven but strongly suspected crimes as just that? Do we really think we’re that wised-up and he’s that naive? How many Presidents have you taken down? I hate to argue with the crowd but come on.
Yes, Watergate was a burglary to obtain competitive intelligence regarding the opposition’s plans - and then it was a convoluted cover-up of the action.
Watergate happened because of the desperate desires of a man who deeply deeply craved the position of President - in a twisted way Watergate was simply a means to an end - the Presidency being so important to Nixon - and being his goal. Nixon craved being the leader of this nation -
For Trump - the Presidency is simply a means to an end - that being power & control - Trump does not give a rat’s hind end about all of the trapping of being President - and that is a huge red flag - Trump has no respect for the historical structure & systems - he is mostly gleefully ignorant of the details - beneath all of this hubris - Trump has visions of his financial empire dominating in unimaginable ways - certainly he would chuckle and say he thinks outside the box - and he looks at the USA and says - all of this could be mine if I destabilize the world in the right way - look at how Putin - a basic KGB guy managed to maneuver his way to gain an iron-fisted control over all of Russia - I can do something like that here - only bigger -
Trump has shown himself to be an ineffectual Fox News viewer who shouts vulgar and obscene remarks from the den, but the actions he speaks about wanting to take are worse than anything Nixon considered. We’ve been numbed to it, but when you take a pause and review the day’s developments you’re freshly horrified.
Woodward and Bernstein used to be admired investigative reporters, ahead of the curve. What happened?
Seems to me the obvious comparison with Watergate is the DNC file hack. Change one word and the sentence: “Criminals broke into a DNC [office/server] to steal files in the hopes of finding dirt to help a Republican win the presidential election.” works to describe either event. The only diference is one was analog and the other digital… well and that the digital version involved colluding with a hostile foreign power, which makes it worse.
It doesn’t feel worse; it is way, way worse. Watergate was stupid and carried out for a paranoid man. This is working with an avowed enemy of the United States: in any normal world, the first hint of this should have ended the Rump’s candidacy.
Amen. He made a speech, this was part of it. He didn’t “just realize” it. Sometimes the knee jerk responses around here get a little silly.
We talk here much as you’d do among friends or acquaintances. If a thing seems obvious you describe it that way. But if you’ve ever written for publication, you develop the habit of not saying you’re certain if you’re not. It’s how you stay unsued. There may be people in the Department of Justice or Mueller’s team or the intelligence community who have proof that Trump did what we suspect. But we don’t and Bernstein doesn’t and he’s in the habit professionally of reflecting that uncertainty. It’s silly to be huffy about it.
It’s also worse now than back in 1970s, there were enough sane, moderate Republicans inCingres who were able to put duty and country before partisanship. We don’t have any Republicans like that these days.
Sometimes the crowd is trying to hard to hone their stand up acts. We know what he’s saying, and John Dean said something similar during the bush admin.
I have just one quibble with what you’ve said, jinnj, and that is that Tramp doesn’t seek power &control but rather attention & money. In his addled brain, those give him power & control but he craves the attention and the money far more.
If the Russians hadn’t been shoveling dirty money his way over the past few decades, he’d have nothing to do with them. It was the money that got him in bed with them.
The one who has been a disappointment isn’t Bernstein, it’s Woodward.
Bernstein and John Dean have remained pretty righteous.