You know who else was kind of a socialist? Jesus!
Ha, reverse Godwin! Bet you weren’t expecting that!
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We should remember that the Pope is still an asshole and is exactly what the most unhinged Clinton supporters think Bernie is, a raging misogynist with leftist economics.
Socialism is an economic system, not a philosophy.
The pope is a Christian and there are a lot of things that sound like Socialism or straight Communism in the teachings of Jesus but he wasn’t advocating an economic system. He was advocating treating each other well. If Bernie wants to say that’s Socialism, fine, but it’s not.
I don’t know any Hillary supporters who think that of Bernie. I know that about his bros, however. Not Bernie but his surrogates have been sexist.
You must not get around on the internet too much. Most of the ire is directed at the “Bernie Bros,” but some of the angrier, more trollish Clinton supporters will accuse Sanders himself of being a monstrous racist and sexist. It isn’t something I’d describe the average Hillary supporter of doing, though; I was mostly intending on shitting on that awful Cool Pope.
I agree with that per se, sure. But I also agree with Plucky and as a non-Christian I can speak for myself when I say I don’t think it’s offensive and wrong to say a certain non-Christian is a better Christian than certain other loudly bigoted and uncharitable people who claim to be Christians. It’s just saying the person better embodies the ideals—love, kindness, caritas, what you will—of Christianity. I’ve never taken it to mean that you must be like a Christian to be a good person, or that Christianity is the only way. I think it speaks to the universal ideals most of the major religions expound. Long story short, it’s all in the way you take it and I’d sure take it as a compliment and see no problem. It’s really an anti-bigotry statement, to me.
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Quite frankly, we’d be better off without an industry that has to date been more interested with padding its own profit margins than ensuring superior care at an affordable price.
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Hmmm…so do away with all industries that are interested in padding their profit margins?
So good bye to that computer you are using. As well as the network that its connected to. And forget about watching any TV. Or movies. Don’t need to go grocery shopping at the supermarket anymore. Which is fine, because you won’t have a car to drive there in anyway. I would say you can sit around at home…but the housing market and the apartment industry have long been interested in padding their margins. And it wouldn’t be all that much fun, either, what with no power or water. But at least we will have clothes on our back when we go…oh wait, no…the clothing industry is notorious for padding profit margins.
But we will have guns. Even though they too pad their profit margins, Bernie is down with eliminating a huge expense…namely having to pay lawyers to deal with being sued. So I guess that industry is fine to make huge profit margins at the expense of society.
Bernie gives a genuine, thoughtful, introspective, and caring interview where he shows he cares, why he cares, and how he has that in common with the Pope.
Hillary does a campaign event where she pretends to comfort some stranger’s child; she can’t even fake it.
Well, he and Jesus are from the same tribe.
This statement is not economic enough for you to model?
“There are more things in heaven and earth and socialism than are dreamt of in your economics class, Horatio.”
Check the etymology behind social. It was a way of regarding human relationships (“philosophy”, if you prefer) long before 19th-century economic thinking.
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It’s an Irish thing, innit?
Good grief…I guess Berniesm really IS a religion to some of you folks.
To paraphrase Inigo Montoya. "They keep using that word. I do not think it means what they think it means."
It is one of the many terms that Republicans and some Democrats, use indiscriminately. Basically, if a political term is associated with something bad, they’ll throw it around without regard to its true meaning. Because they don’t know what they mean. If you ask them to define the term, they get stumped.
Bernie Sanders is a social democrat, who believes in capitalism, private property, private business, and the profit motive, but also believes that capitalism must be tempered with social programs to achieve the best life for the most people. Because the programs he promotes are effective ways to help our country provide a better standard of living for more citizens, that’s why. In fact, the social democracies of Northern Europe have proven that.
It doesn’t make me angry as much as sad and frustrated towards the uniformed people that are just parroting these memes. My anger is pretty much directed towards the talking heads that encourage it. Not just the ones at Fox or on talk radio, but towards the politicians who more often than not know the difference, but who prefer to keep the people ignorant and easy to manipulate. Their strategy is not to engage the public in an honest policy and values debate, but to stoke their frustration and resentment by using all these terms as nothing more than dog whistles.
Bernie is as far from that type of politician as you can get. He seems allergic to the idea of cloaking his true positions with euphemisms or ambiguities. He is unabashedly liberal. Even at the time when many liberals where uncomfortable owning up to the term.
What he is saying is back to the GOP is: “This is what I believe, you think because I endorse social democratic solutions that it makes me a socialist? fine, then call me a socialist. I’m not scared of the word.”
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Was there a sign posted in front of that slippery slope or what because that made an awful lot of assumptions.
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Please.
When you Bernie folks start babbling about doing away with the health insurance industry, you make nothing but assumptions. Like how it will make for a super awesome, 5% growth economy for at least 10 years.
Completely ignoring the fact that you are eliminating 500,000 jobs…over a 1st term, that’s more jobs lost monthly than we faced at the peak of the Great Recession. And that’s every month for FOUR years.
All the while raising taxes. That combination doesn’t create 5% growth…that combination craters the economy.
You’ve again made a lot of assumptions about me that are unfounded. You are obviously caught in a trap where you think anyone who supports Bernie must be ignorant and naive about the real world. Guess what sparky, that ain’t how it works.
“When you Bernie folks start babbling”. Us Bernie folks will make or break the election for “You Hillary folks” so I suggest you quit dehumanizing and compartmentalizing us because while I have enough of a sense of civic duty to vote for Hillary in the general, people like you will convince many more of us to stay home.
And I’m sure you’ll find a way to blame us for your own terrible behavior, too.
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That’s pretty rich coming from someone who just said.
Because blackmail is such wonderful behavior, “sparky”?
And as for “my terrible behavior”, I have once again pointed out a very real problem with Bernie’s proposal. One that not a single Bernie supporter had bothered to address. And true to form, you also don’t address it and instead hurl threats and insults for daring to raise questions.
So completely scurrilous of me to ask what is an actual pertinent question. But do everyone a favor, including your candidate…and answer it.
I answer actual questions, not loaded rhetorical questions based on a two-part false premise of slippery slope and strawman.
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