Discussion: At Republican Conference, Trump Slams Clinton For Recent Statement On Women

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#71

I don’t at all believe the liberal media has to be as vitriolic and hateful, but liberals in general could stop the handwringing and pearl clutching every time someone speaks a truth about PP voters. We could stop applying this gross double standard to Clinton and others. You imagine if a similar article was on some right wing media site. Would there be a single Republican commenter to take issue with what PP said about Democrats? Remember what propelled him to the top of the primary polls was calling Latinos rapists and murderers. What keeps him at 35-40% is continually “telling it like it is” about liberals and anyone he perceives as being an other. I’m not suggesting that’s what we should be doing, but it’s just stupid to complain about Clinton doing something somewhat similar but to a much, much lesser degree and in a sympathetic manner. There’s a different standard because we promote it and encourage it.

Also, I think it’s a bad read of the mood of the general electorate to think that most voters aren’t angry as hell at not only PP, but also the people who put him there, and refuse to admit his incompetence and destruction to our democracy.

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#72

It’s one of the reasons why I ended the friendship. That, and because you can’t call yourself my friend and have voted to make my life harder.

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#73

I am a professional middle aged white woman in California and the thought of a sexual predator in the White House gave me severe anxiety. That and the thought that he might get into a pissing contest with NK bad cause nuclear holocaust.

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#74

Thank you

#75

Considering the shit he said I think criticizing her is really really stupid and beyond the pale.

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#76

If you go back to the “Cling to their guns and religion” comment Obama was asked at a fundraiser why don’t Democrats get more of a share of the rural vote. He mentioned unfair trade deals and people impacted by a changing economy before the “Clinger” comment. I never thought he was using it as a put down since he’s partially Kansan though it was interpreted to be a gaffe.

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#77

OK, it’s time once again for one of my all-time personal favorites. Thanks, @demyankee, for the setup.

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#78

He knows Hillary won, plain and simple.

Take back our country!

Run for office- and run FOR something! Don’t just run against Trump. You’ll either be preaching to the choir or confirming, in some people’s minds, that ‘the elites’ are out to get their man.

Get REAL specific, too. You want to run on jobs or healthcare reform or the new landfill? You must have a plan. Show what’s needed and show how to make it work. THEN point out the differences between having a plan and vague promises to work on a plan “very soon”.

This site, https://www.runforoffice.org/, allows you to enter your ZIP code and see what offices are available to you and the filing window for that office. They also have a few video short-courses on running a campaign. In my state you file for office during a 1-week period in May, just three months from now.

Become a Precinct Committee Officer, sometimes it’s a Ward officer. Meet your neighbors and get out the vote. Find good citizens willing to run for office.

Run for School Board. Make sure Civics is being properly taught. Think a majority of America knows how government works? Just 26% of eligible voters in America voted for Trump, and half of all voters stayed home last November. HALF! Today’s 10-year olds will be voting for President in 8 years. Make sure they’re prepared.

Run for Mayor, City Council, County Commissioner, Borough Assembly. And get on your Planning Commission.

Run for State Legislature or Congress. The next census is in 2020 when we’ll redraw Congressional Districts. Make them fair and open. Trump is ALREADY trying to rig the census- talk about ‘voter fraud’!

Register people to vote. If you need to help people overcome the GOP-led voter-run-around campaign help them do that. This site, https://www.aauw.org/resource/organize-a-voter-registration-drive/, has a how-to on organizing a voter registration drive. Or even sitting outside Wal Mart with a folding chair and a card table. Yes, that’s the American Association of University Women. And while we’re here organize a League of Women Voters chapter in your community if you don’t already have one. Fair, honest and above board. Democracy functions better with them involved.

Civics, civility and civilization all share the same roots. Get crackin’!

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#79

Yes yes he does and that’s why he won’t shut up about her for a second.

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#80

That sounds Mauve-olous!

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#81

Pink is my favorite color

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#82

The truth to power bit was acknowledging out loud what everybody knows but does not talk about – A majority of white women voted for Trump. We hear a lot about how to placate white working class voters who are men. What to do about white women?

And she also broke the media tradition of maintaining that 'lost" votes are always the fault of the losing politician and never the fault of poor decision making on the part of voters gulled by the fabrications from the other side and shoddy journalism.

So the ‘truth to power’ bit was violating the traditions of media mythology.

As to the women. Married and unmarried women vote differently. This needs to be explained. Hillary was part of the first wave of feminists. The first generation when it became acceptable for a woman to have views and a career that was more than supporting her husband. This was something that was a tension in her own life. So I’m guessing that Hillary has more insight into the thinking of women still living in pre- feminist communities than most of us.

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#83

The public interest? The public gets to watch one person telling the truth and her critic with the megaphone blowing smoke. Quite a number of voters have voter’s remorse.

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#84

BAU is a traditional recommendation for dealing with a bully.

#85

Thus may not be the time and place to hold this discussion but we had a very good candidate who did not win. We need to find out why.

I said two things:

1). Hillary is an unvarnished truth teller.

It is hard to construe this as a criticism of her virtue.

  1. Unvarnished truth telling makes a politician less likely to win in certain settings.

This latter is either a fact of life in the world or it is not the case. In any event the claim is far more a criticism of voters than it is of her.

I like and admire Hillary and appreciate her truth telling. It’s part of why I have supported her since her first run for the Presidency. Butnitndoebut facing reality I have to recognize that as a tactic truth telling does not always work.

On these boards there is virtually everybody agrees that Trump is an evil mess. The choir does not need preaching to on this point,

So I am somewhat at a loss as to why you feel so strongly that I am being unduly critical.?

#86

Wow…that was a pretty good slap, Plucky. I was talking about one specific quote. They are indeed deplorable–and worse. Did it cost her votes by saying it though? Did it turn off low information, hate politics, vote-from-your-gut swing voters–you know, morons? I think it did. Did it motivate anyone to vote that wasn’t already voting for her? I’m less certain of that. With the bullshit mountain of ratfucking by Republicans, it excessively unlikely that it cost her the election–or even a single state. I do agree with what you said, but we’re fighting an uphill battle and unforced errors are still unforced errors though. If it doesn’t help gain votes, why do it? I really don’t care it feels good to have someone say it, again, does it help our side or hurt it? Saying what might be true is secondary to retaking Congress and the Presidency. That absolutely sucks to say that, but that’s were we are. It’s not both siderism to point out that our gaffs hurt us and Republicans gaffs rarely hurt them. That’s reality, and not playing into anyone’s meme.

#87

I thought WV Republicans were scared that Blankenship is the ONE GOP candidate Manchin could beat.

#88

Thank you. I knew it was somebody in the Trump Cabinet.

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#89

Badda-boom! Badda-bing!

And wasn’t that rich? He folded like a cheap lawn chair.

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#90

Hear, hear!!!

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