Discussion: Anti-Obamacare Lawsuit Threatens To Drag Down GOP In The Midterms

More bad news for the GOP. What idiots.

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All Republicans deserve an “F”, but in practice it is infinitely more useful to give them a “D” in November.

Time to take out the trash!

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Party before Country. Hope it really hurts them this fall.

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It’s about TIME!

Loving It!

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What’s the word? – when your opponent is digging himself into a hole, let him.
As Gen Patton said of war: “God help me, but I do love it”.

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Stand by for GOP claims that even mentioning this lawsuit in campaign ads is politicizing the tragedy that people with pre-existing conditions face. The fact that the GOP is responsible for the tragedy will be off limits.

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Spare me
GOP normal operating procedures threatens To Drag Down GOP In The Midterms
And I’ve got 61 Kill Obamacare votes in the house to make a point
The GOP and their poster boy Trump are doing just fine in killing their chances

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And with all the strokes and heart attacks the Trumpers will have when Mr. Mueller lowers the boom on Dotard, it makes this lame-brain idea even more deliciously ironic.

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Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

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So it’s come to this—finally!

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I’d be interested to see an in depth exploration of actual voters who make up their minds the way this whole genre of reporting seems to describe. I believe the truth is closer to this: Democrats hope people get the fuck off their asses and vote. Republicans are doing everything in their highly creative power to keep people on their asses.

My impression is that the two sides of this issue are fairly represented by the conversation I had over whiskey at the Sturgis motorcycle rally, which I keep bringing up because it was so damned much fun. Like the spring break I couldn’t afford when I was 20.

My fellow rider said nobody has a right to health care, and wondered why the hell should he have to pay for someone else’s problems! He’s healthy and takes care of himself. Obamacare sucks because his premiums are too damned high and he had to get another sleep study before the doctor would let him get a new CPAP machine. By the way, he’s not willing to let a person bleed out in the emergency room lobby if they don’t have insurance.

I said that health care is a fundamental, universal human right. Because we are not willing to let uninsured people bleed out in the waiting room, we should figure out the most cost effective way to live our shared values. Obamacare sucks because premiums are too high and people have to jump through too many damned hoops just to get care. Lower premiums and fewer barriers are liberal improvements, not conservative ones.

So which motorcyclist’s tribe is going to show up on election day?

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So the Republican health insurance product will cover some of everyone’s cost once.

After that, we have to pay full cost for treating the same affliction? Not the insurance company approved cost. The full, bloated medical cost without knowing the cost before treatment.

That sounds like a terrible product.

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Perhaps a lawsuit drags down some GOP candidates, but the big problem is the lost opportunity costs from keeping Trump around even a minute longer than needed.

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“Many Republicans are more afraid of a primary challenger than a general election challenger,” Bagley told TPM. “So far, running against the ACA has been a reliable way to fire up the base. And I don’t think they’ve recognized that trying to undo protections for pre-existing conditions going into the midterms is a huge liability for them. So they keep banging their head against the wall in a way that’s deeply counterproductive.”

I say bring it on!

If you are dumb enough to throw millions of people off of medical coverage, the single biggest reason for people drowning in debt, go ahead. Not everyone who is Republican is a knuckle-dragger, as many Trump supporters are.

If it helps Dems chances of taking back the House, so be it! This nonsense has to stop somehow. I still say, good triumphs over evil.

“…in the general welfare and the common good…” the definition of socialism in its simplest form.

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"I don’t think they’ve recognized that trying to undo protections for pre-existing conditions going into the midterms is a huge liability for them. So they keep banging their head against the wall in a way that’s deeply counterproductive.”

Of course, the thing about banging you head into a wall is that it feels so good when you stop. I say voters should help them with that.

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Right now the airways are flooded with negative ads in the McCaskill Hawley race. On one side Hawley supporters charge that Claire’s husband became rich while she was a senator. On the other McCaskill’s supporters say Hawley has gone to court to deny you pre-existing coverage. Guess which set of ads is most powerful.

Josh Hawley has made opposition to him personal. The ads correctly indicate that Josh is coming after you if you have a heart condition, diabetes, or cancer. They are far and away the most powerful ads in the campaign.

Whoever decided this lawsuit was a good idea should be fired for professional malpractice.

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The key truth in the article is “Democrats are hoping.”

The data don’t appear to support the conclusion that support for the lawsuit will hurt the GOP: In the same survey where 65% said coverage for pre-existing conditions was very important, 53% said repealing Obamacare was very important.

Translating the lawsuit into actual votes is going to be a challenge when the majority of voters want to get rid of Obamacare, even while they support its actual policies.

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It isn’t being pitched as repeal for Obamacare. The Democrats are defining the lawsuit as taking away pre-existing conditions. I know in the land of Trump 35% is better than 65%, so Republicans probably think they are on safe ground where some poll says 53% want to repeal Obamacare but repealing Obamacare is abstract. Taking away pre-existing conditions is personal. Personal trumps abstract every time.

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and @bryan

People still don’t understand insurance, especially health insurance.
Hawley wants insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing conditions, he just doesn’t think anyone should be forced to buy insurance. Dumb, Josh, the ACA was written to preserve a capitalistic insurance market place. Insurance companies say “If you want us to cover pre-existing conditions then it’s going to cost in premiums, deductables, and co-pays.”

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