Ahem… the Polish Communists ran their own progroms in the decades after the Second WW, many Polish jews ended up as refugees in Denmark (I’ve worked together with some of them, and their children).
And @gharlane.
I had a friend who was about 10 years older than me. He was Iranian. I assume when he spoke about the displacement of Communists in Iran political space by the Jihadis during the Khomeini revolution is common to all the Middle East and Asian Muslim populated countries. He used to say he wanted the goddam Communists back. Just like you.
I recommend Martin Gilbert’s volume on WWII.
He is notable for interspersing with actual battle/military-campaigns interwoven narratives on anti Jewish Nazi oppression in a variety of settings apart from only concentration camps.
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The lead to this story is confusing. Acknowledging that there were collaborators amongst some Polish Jews who (erroneously) thought they were helping themselves out is not the same thing as Holocaust denial. The opening paragraph implies that there were no such collaborators. There’s no question that the Nazis got the enthusiastic participation of some Jews in helping herd others into the Warsaw ghetto; it’s quite well documented, including by the surviving writings of Jews who were stuck in the ghetto and later sent to camps. This isn’t a Disney movie. There are terrible Jews and good Jews, just like everyone else.
I don’t know exactly what Kurek is saying (nor do I want to), but the lead seems misleading.
All Neo Nazis and Holocaust deniers really need to visit Germany where this nationalism crap started.
Go there, visit the camps, then deny the holocaust.
Then you can spend time in prison because holocaust denial is a felony in Germany.
Simple reason - the invasion of hundreds of thousands of Muslims to Europe.
“The survey indicates that those who had experienced harassment — which included offensive or threatening text messages, phone calls, comments, gestures or online messages — and were able to identify the perpetrator were more likely to suggest the culprit was “someone with an extremist Muslim view” (30%) than someone with left-wing political views (21%) or right-wing politics (13%).”
Europeans who are native are extremely tolerant of Jews. In many countries (Hungary, Germany, France), Jews have no problems with locals.
Yall need to bone up on Hungary’s participation in the Holocaust. It’s not pretty. And I recall a recent documentary interviewing a old Hungarian who turned in his Jewish neighbors to the Hungarian authorities - not the Nazis. He is sitting under a crucifix of Jesus, no less, laughing about how he and his brothers stole the shoes of their former neighbors.
Will never visit Hungary, ever.
Reading though the article you posted, there was very little comment on Muslim immigration into Europe being a problem. You used the term invasion, not the article.
That’s true if you skip Europe’s history of anti-semitism.
Jews have no problems with the locals? The rise of far-right parties throughout Europe is a problem, just as it is here. That’s not Jews having a problem with locals, that’s other people having a problem with Jews, who are probably their neighbors. Going bacjk to your invasion comment, the same has been said of Jews, along with saying Jews have too much influence in Finance and Media. That’s not Muslims saying that, that’s the same tropes that have been around for hundreds of years.
Why do you feel the need to engage in Islamophobia to explain Anti-Semitism?
No Muslims “invaded” any of the Eastern block countries. In Poland in the 90s some Vietnamese settled in (think thousands, not hundred thousand). Now Ukrainians. None of these people are Muslim. Poland has some marginal Muslim population since the 17th century. But they accepted few if any Muslim immigrants in recent decades. Hungary is in similar situation.
And as to Germany, France please don’t sweep one antisemitism with another antisemitism. It would be terrifying if Jews couldn’t find safe enclaves in Europe. Of course their neighbors, friends accept them. That’s not true across the nations. And when they are attacked, their attacker is much more likely to have native accent than foreign.
Agreed.
In Chicago, where I live, the Polish Catholic church is one of the places organizing meetings with Polish nationalists. The Polish schools here, often existing inside churches, open on Saturday, are supposed to teach Polish history, culture and language to 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation of young Polish-Americans and are full of the right-wing agitators.
That’s possible, in part, because the Polish priests in the parishes are sympathetic to these views. Or agitators themselves. But the money for fundraisers and picnics - that’s in part at least coming from Polish consulate.
There is also a Polish language radio run by church which is vile (Radio Maryja). I can’t describe it in any other way. Jews and communists are the same thing to them. And out to get you. If you’re Polish. Apparently. The Polish Catholic church is not a place you want to find yourself these days. The Polish American organizations are often roped into helping. Or are excited to help? The Polish radio here funded by Polish organization, has few hours of spewing a day.
And it all runs under cover of language barrier. I don’t know if authorities understand how radicalized some of these people are.
Of course people like Kurek are instrumental. She helps to create the illusion that the Polish nation is being oppressed now, as it was before, except for all that lies called history.
The nationalists can hook into someone who is either a complete nincompoop, or someone who does have some knowledge but is somehow disturbed and therefore can’t differentiate. Add propensity for violence and we have a problem. Polish nationalism created one assassin in South Africa in the 90s already (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hani) … So I worry…
When did ‘Holocaust distorter’ become a thing? Why is it even controversial to suggest that there were collaborators in WWII?
A lot of populist regimes wants to rewrite history (Poland, Hungary,…)