If Moore is innocent until proven guilty, then the women are guilty (of lying) until proven innocent.
Edit to Clarify (2 hours later): What I was trying to point out is that if the AL Secretary of State presumes Moore innocent of assault, harassment, and pedophilia, then he must also presume that the eight (so far) women are guilty of lying.
In other words, the man gets the presumption of innocence, and the 8 women donât.
That works in a court of law, but not in the court of public opinion (or in Senate races).
Oh sure, if/when a formal indictment is brought. That âinnocent until proven guiltyâ rule only applies to formal judicial proceedings.
When itâs surrounding a candidacy, the accusations arenât about courts and trials or âburdens of proofâ. Theyâre about revealing character and temperament. Weâve seen pretty compelling evidence (the signed yearbook), and the public testimony of two women who say he assaulted them when they were teens, one of them quite underage at 14. He-said-she-said only applies to one vs one. This is now seven vs one. No longer he-said-she-said.
For me, the yearbook is the smoking gun. If it can be proven it isnât his handwriting, Iâll soften my position about it. Otherwise, the man is a predator and a sexual abuser in my book, and has no place in our Senate.
Then Abraham approached him and said: âWill you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? What if there is one righteous person in the Alabama GOP? Will you really sweep it away and not spare the party for the sake of the one righteous person in it?"
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âWhat I have stated before and what I maintain is that an individual is innocent until proven guilty,â Merrill said on MSNBC.
âUnless itâs Hillary Clinton,â he added.
Yes, everyone is âinnocent until proven guiltyâ except, according to the Alabama GOP, the women who are accusing Roy Moore.
What a stupid comment. You can do better, shirley.
A cowardly dodge, since he knows that most likely no criminal trial will be held due to statute of limitations issues, and certainly no trial before the election.
So his bit about âthe charges are serious and should continue to be vettedâ and âif heâs guilty he should withdrawâ are meaningless. Because by his criteria, Moore will remain âofficiallyâ innocent, at least through the election, and probably forever. Unless he confesses, which seems extremely unlikely.
Agree totally. And stop calling me Shirley. (Hell, Iâve been waiting to use that line since I first saw âAirplane!â in 1980. Thanks! LOL!)
So a steady drip then. And the lawyers going after the 5th victim? That will leave a mark.
Funniest thing is, every Alabama Republican who goes on TV to defend Moore looks even pervier than Moore himself. This guy looks like heâs got a hole in his front pocket and a van full of puppies and Hershey Bars.
Actually georgeh is onto something here. Heâs noting that the Secretary of State is saying that Moore should be presumed to be telling the truth until itâs proven otherwise. But presuming that Moore is telling the truth means presuming that the women are lying. So the way I read the comment is that georgeh was pointing out the double standard, where Moore is given the benefit of the doubt, while the women are not.
I think so. You think so. Will enough Alabamians think so?
I really hope he stays in the race, so I can see his concession speech, where he blames Hillary Clinton, chem trails, and George Soros for his loss.
Itâs Alabama. Who can say? I just canât stop watching that video of Mo Brooks running down the stairs, being chased by the ABC reporter. Thatâs comedy gold!
Only in the narrow confines of a court of law.
The court of public opinion has no such litmus test.
ah the old âinnocent until proven guiltyâ canard
hey SOS, works well for the court room and if this was an actual trial, I think all justice abiding Americans would agree with you, howeverâŚ
there is now ample anecdotal evidence that would suggest that those making claims against the perv are speaking truth, such asâŚ
multiple sources backing up the claims of the victims
the yearbook signature
co-workers from the day saying how weird it was that he chased high school girls at football games and the mall
the mall banning him for LIFE, and LEOs told to look out for him perving there
the manâs own words
so thatâs a start, and probably enough to conclude there is merit to the words of his accusers, but thatâs not the point now is it Mr SOS, sowing doubt is
Oh , thatâs swell. We need the women in that state to make a difference then?
As I said, we need more people to come forward, although as has been stated, this pervert often picked on girls with one parent, which is creepier than heck.
Well, thereâs no statute of limitations in Alabama for the molestation of a minor, so letâs bring it to trial then, eh?