Discussion: ADL: Keith Ellison's Past Remarks On Israel 'Disturbing And Disqualifying'

“The United States foreign policy in the Middle East is governed by what is good or bad through a country of 7 million people," the ADL’s statement quotes Ellison as saying at the time. “A region of 350 million all turns on a country of 7 million. Does that make sense? Is that logic? Right? When the Americans who trace their roots back to those 350 million get involved, everything changes.”

Meh. Seems like quite a stretch to paint those comments as “disqualifying.” Seems like the point he is making is that if Arab-Americans and Muslim-Americans of Middle Eastern ancestry want political clout, they will have to “get involved” in politics. Which, of course, is true.

“Rep. Ellison’s remarks are both deeply disturbing and disqualifying. His words imply that U.S. foreign policy is based on religiously or national origin-based special interests rather than simply on America’s best interests,” the statement reads.

Wait, so his crime is not doing a good enough job of pretending that religion and nationality have nothing to do with U.S. Foreign Policy, including (but not limited to) in the Middle East, and that all decisions are based on America’s best interests and never at all on special interests? Puh-lease!

"Additionally, whether intentional or not, his words raise the specter of age-old stereotypes about Jewish control of our government…

With the “intentional or not” thrown in there, that same argument can be (and it seems like it often is) made against pretty much anyone who raises any issues about the power of the Israel lobby. So is Israel the one country that we are not allowed to express any concerns about, since in doing so we might unintentionally “raise the specter of age-old stereotypes?” I’m pretty darn sensitive to the ridiculous “Jewish Cabal running the world” nonsense, but this seems like, in effect, a prohibition on pretty much any criticism of Israeli influence in American politics, including such things as the Israeli PM coming to Congress, not invited by the President, to attack the Iran nuke deal. If I criticize that, am I “raising the specter of age-old stereotypes?”

This all seems pretty darn weak, especially in light of this:

“We spoke with leadership in the Jewish community in Minnesota who confirmed what ADL and other national organizations have seen: that Keith Ellison is a man of good character,” Greenblatt’s previous statement on his candidacy read. “We have seen him through his work in Congress as an important ally in the fight against anti-Semitism and for civil rights."

I think the ADL is really barking up the wrong tree on this one. And ironically, I think they’re actually the ones “raising the specter of age-old stereotypes” in a very inappropriate and counterproductive way.

Meanwhile, as the ADL passes judgement on Keith Ellison as supposedly “disqualified” from running the DNC because of this rather mild statement, I would like to know if the ADL has loudly and clearly declared Trump disqualified for the presidency? Trump, who has (to put it quite charitably) played footsie with the anti-Semitic “alt-right” crowd – even going so far as to name Steven Fucking Bannon one of his closest advisors – has the ADL declared that he is unfit to hold office?

Because if they are applying a different standard to Ellison – who happens to be first Muslim-American elected to Congress, and who would be (I assume) the first Muslim-American head of the DNC – doesn’t the ADL run the risk of “raising the specter” of an “age-old stereotype” of Muslims being untrustworthy and dangerous, and aren’t they reinforcing the idea that it is acceptable to make such assumptions based on the scantest of evidence?

This all seems very ill-advised, for a whole host of reasons.

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Nothing disturbing or disqualifying about his comments. No need to carry water for the ADL here, either.

The Israeli Defense League really has to do some amazing twists of logic to nail his comment as anti-Semetic, but there ya have it. Voila! And now it’s “news.”

To acknowledge the truth that Israel has outsized influence on US foreign policy (how many Security Council vetoes has the US issued on Saudi Arabia’s behalf, for instance?), is now playing on historic anti-Semetic tropes. C’mon. Only anti-Arab racists should bite at that, and TPM should know better.

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For the record, the US may have an over population crisis that neither party is willing to even talk about, but we are not at 350 million people! We are between 322 million and 325 million. At 350 million and we are really going start hemoraging as a nation - even more so than today.

Even Trump’s corrupt money can’t buy our way out of over population.

It shouldn’t take long to ago from 322-325 to 350 million.

Gimme somebody, because this party is possibly looking at a future purity test.

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Ty for saying that

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Agree or disagree with the ADL on their Keith Ellison position, but everyone who’s bashing the ADL for not condemning Trump clearly has not been paying attention, or is deliberately ignoring reality. The ADL has been out in front condemning Trump’s bigotry, racism and anti-Semitism. A few examples from before and after the election:

http://www.mediaite.com/election-2016/anti-defamation-league-ceo-warns-that-trumps-rhetoric-evokes-anti-semitic-tropes/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/04/28/the-adl-vs-trump/?utm_term=.01597662f0b6

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I’m pretty sure he was referring to 350 million people in the Middle East. Have no idea if that’s an accurate figure or not. But what he seems to be saying is unless Arab-Americans and Muslim-Americans of Middle Eastern ancestry (“Americans who trace their roots back to those 350 million”) want political clout in this country, and if they want to provide a counterbalance to the pro-Israel lobby, then they’ll have to start engaging more in American politics. Which is a pretty obvious truth about our political system – “you can’t win if you don’t play.”

"A region of 350 million all turns on a country of 7 million. Does that make sense? Is that logic? Right? When the Americans who trace their roots back to those 350 million get involved, everything changes.”

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I’m beginning to like Dean .

Here’s my issue though: can he handle a party wing who might be capable of turning the upcoming DNC chair election into a purity test?

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Yes

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Thank you for those links, and the reminder that the ADL has made some very sharp criticisms of Trump (and Bannon). But I do not see where they went so far as to say that Trump is “disqualified” to be President, the way they have now said that Ellison (based on much, much less) is supposedly “disqualified” from being the chair of the DNC. Still seems like oddly disproportionate treatment toward Ellison.

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Seems like there’s already at least one “purity test” – one which, according to the ADL, Ellison doesn’t pass.

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N that’s a problem with me.

When the 9th (and the autopsies) came into play, one important thing also came into view: the Democrats need to stop cutting themselves to make a point.

Now i understand why the ADL might take issue with past comments; there are times that definitely show that past is prologue.

However what did Ellison say that was wrong?

The Farrakhan past is something that should be a problem.

But is the ADL saying that Israel is as much of a victim in America’s incursions as is their Arab neighbors?

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Or maybe they only read TPM… indeed the ADL has been all over Trump. The Trump supporters who have no morals are the evangelicals who stand by Trump despite him being a big time sinner.

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Based on what trump has said nothing is disqualifying it seems. What is disqualifying is the fact
that Ellison isn’t coming out to defend himself choosing to let others define him. Democrats already have this. We need an attack dog Ellison isn’t it

It does not have to be a full time job. The most important parts of the job are appearing on TV, raising money, setting strategy and operating principles, and acting like a real Democrat.

DWS was terrible at the job not because she was also in Congress, but because she was hard to look at on TV, was an artless liar, set in motion a policy of cheating for Clinton in the primaries, abandoned state-level party-building and shilled for payday lenders. In years past, when she was a co-chair of a party committee to elect Dems to the House, she openly supported her Republican friends’ reelection efforts in South Florida over their Dem opponents.

The bullshit meme that DNC Chair is a full-time job has been launched by the moneyed interests who funded Clinton’s losing effort to the tune of $1 billion and absolutely, positively do not want a liberal in the job. This election was lost because working people do not see the Democratic party fighting for them. Clinton did not campaign for their votes, but instead campaigned to get Republicans who were embarrassed by Trump. It’s time for the Warren-Sanders-Ellison wing of the party to lead us back to getting working people voting for Democrats on all levels.

Im bashing the ADL,because I’m trying to figure out why Ellison is a wrong pick for this party

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Uh huh

‘Here we goooo’

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Well both Robespierre n Danton are dead.

S----

This might take a while.

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That did nothing to help your argument.

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