Discussion: A Scottish 'Yes' On Independence Also Means Exit From EU, NATO

but laying alone in their beds many years from now, they will know that they fought for and gained their freedom. Freedom is worth much. Not Freedumb either but real freedom.

England’s reach is greater than it’s grasp. We are definitely not the ones to be talking about, or judging at least, wanting to escape England’s rule. That much I know for sure.
Give the Scots a few hundred years and then we’ll check back in to see. America, with all of our faults became the strongest nation in the world. We should side with the Scots and yoke our strengths. We war over independence and Democracy, why shouldn’t we be fighting for the Scots?

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Man, you know it! They could end up like Norway or Sweden!

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If this were basketball, that would’ve been a great blocked shot : )

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Actually, Krugman objects to only one thing: Continued use of either the Pound or the Euro.

He (IMNSHO correctly) sees a sovereign state with a non-sovereign currency as a recipe for disaster.

If the Yes vote proceeds, Scotland should create its own currency, and demand to remain out of the Euro zone, which is an unmitigated disaster, and will remain so until France surpasses Germany in population and GDP somewhere around 2040, at least.

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“they’ll shake the twin pillars of Western Europe’s postwar prosperity and security — the European Union and the U.S.-led NATO defense alliance.”

Should have known this was AP . . . .

Don’t see that happening.

wtf does that mean?

Hey Josh, why don’t you guys let us decide what comment(s) to read.

Please leave the censoring to inside the comforting embrace of the Hive.

Almost in the memory hole . . . .

I think it is more than likely that a sovereign Scotland will be able to administer more fair and equitable trade agreements than what the bankers of NYC decide is best for them in the current form.

Turkey is the one NATO member that is willing to stand up to Israel. For that reason, the European cowards will never disavow them… Just in case, ya know.

I think you don’t want to understand.

I support the independence of the Cornish. As well as the independence of the Isle of Man.

Canada and Australia are not “independent”.

That’s nine straight, one more and you would’ve got a set of steak knives : )

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Capital fled a lot more slowly in 1776. Furthermore, the young American state could steal millions and millions of acres of farm land and give it to newcomers to put it under the plow, simultaneously boosting population grown and economic activity.

Scotland has no such options.

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Scotland can USE the Euro - meaning they will have no control over monetary policy - but they cannot JOIN the Euro, as they do not meet the criteria.

In that scenario every Scottish company that can leave for Norway, Ireland or England will.

This is nonsense on so many levels. Understandably the “no”-forces want to paint a picture as dark as possible. Why on earth should NATO and the EU reject the membership of a prosperous and stable and peaceful democratic country, which has already all EU laws on their books? The Czechs and Slovaks split up peacefully, and today they are both EU and NATO members.

And the terrible consequences of reduced UK influence in the EU? Currently, the UK has 64 million citizens. After Scottish independence it will only be 59 million. Disaster! The end of the world! It will still be less than France and now about level with Italy. Why is this a problem?

It might, however, make the UK’s retreat from the EU more likely. And that is bad news for Europe exactly why? At least Europe still got Scotland!

If Margaret Thatcher were still Prime Minister, I’d say the lady doth protest too much.

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There’s a big difference between Scotland and Texas etc.

Under UK law Scotland is and has always been considered a distinct country. It’s not a state or province or region.
Even in common parlance Scotland, England, Wales etc. are referred to as different countries.

Alas, my figurative blocked shot is a lot more effective than my literal blocked shot. :wink:

The biggest political consequence would be that the Conservative party would have a built-in advantage in national elections for the forseeable future, as much of Labour’s power comes from Scotland and Wales.

The LibDems (UK moderates is more like it) would most likely become the Official Opposition.