Or perhaps, the nearest hospital to where they were vacationing or traveling for business. You cant insulate yourself from risk by chosing your suburb extra-carefully.
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I love this! Science [done right] is inherently skeptical of itself.
So, the uncertainty of the uncertain is not to be trusted, but
the certainty of the certain IS to be trusted. (Praise, God!)
And yet it moves!
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Barrett is a despicable horrible person. WTF did she think was going to happen? She deserves everything bad in the world.
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More likely manslaughter, or malpractice.
I’d hate to be a doctor, hospital administrator, or insurance company in one of these states. What a mess.
From Findlaw.com:
What Is the Difference Between Third-Degree Murder and Manslaughter?
Manslaughter charges, which are less serious than murder charges, arise when the defendant:
- Had no intention to kill
- Did not plan the killing beforehand
- Acted recklessly or negligently to the point that they could have avoided the killing by acting like a reasonable person
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Yes.
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I had to leave before the Solictor General was up and just listened to the exchange between her and Alito. The Solicitor General was ready for him on the life of the fetus vs the health and life of the pregnant woman. She had the upper hand and is clearly done with his boorish, demeaning, and nonsensical utterances.
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Shorter Catholic Fanatics in the Court: Yes if course women can be required to lose their fertility and depend for their lives on the willingness of medical professionals to risk their careers and personal freedom on the ability of lay prosecutors to understand the medical realities. They seem to imagine that there is some bright line where it can be proved that a woman was in danger of dying short of the point where she is actually dying.
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I hate that this is the battleground where this is being fought. Not just the people involved who are far, far from medical experts, not just that it’s now fought on these cruel margins of cases where women’s health and life are in danger. But fought so far away from the real point about abortion - it shouldn’t be a legal matter at all.
The vast, vast majority of anti-abortion believers believe that they do so on a religious basis (whatever other underlying cruelty and misogyny we can suppose about them). My Catholic parents believe that life begins at conception. But in the Hebrew tradition (and yep, it’s in the Bible), life begins when the baby takes its first breath. The point is that it’s a #%^ing RELIGIOUS QUESTION and has no place in the law. It should be legal even without the health of the mother being at risk.
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They pick and chose the science and products of science they are skeptical of. Viagra? Carry on! Mifepristone? Wait one damn minute!
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The Court’s conservative wing tried with increasing and atextual persistence to convince listeners that Idaho’s strict ban still allows emergency room doctors to provide abortions to women in varying states of medical distress, and not just when doctors are sure the patient is facing death.
And they pointed this out in the exact wording that the ID law was written?
“Would you agree with me that if a medical doctor who is an expert in this field were asked bang, bang, bang, what would you do in these particular circumstances which I am now going to enumerate, the doctor would say: ‘This is not how I practice medicine, I have to know a lot more about the individual case?’” he added with an air of incredulity.
Hey Sammy are you going to rule on how long a women must bleed before she’s at the point of no return?
Maybe the only way the conservative Justices on the Court will understand and do something is to start track deaths of pregnant women who went to ER while in distress and either died there, or died the next day. Then we can see how big the body count gets, all at the hands of the Conservatives on the Court. (Public shaming works)
I hope Elizabeth Prelogar pointed out that ID is next to a state that doesn’t have an abortion ban. But what happens in the states that are surrounded by other states that near total bans. How will those women survive?
Seems if you’re a women who can get pregnant you’re SOL if you live in LA or MS. And those in the SE states are pretty iffy.
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The one that gets me is fertility treatment. Maybe God doesn’t want you to have babies. Why are you going against his wishes?
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They are not at all skeptical of Mifepristone.
They know full well what it does.
They know full well how effective it is.
Their opposition is not skepticism.
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True, but the pretext is skepticism. Religionism masquerading as skepticism.
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I’m skeptical of their skepticism. Conservative beliefs are a choice.
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Like, oh I don’t know, being denied critical emergency medical care?
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Pretty sure no one is going to get in trouble for saving a jurist.
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Could a case be made that because of ambiguous state laws resulting in hospital and physician reluctance to get anywhere near an abortion due to that ambiguous language and draconian punishment, that the entire chain is responsible for the death, not just the physician? He/she may be the one who withholds the care, but the rest of the chain caused the delay.
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Pretty sure the higher up the chain one goes the less accountability there is.
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This situation illustrates one of the profoundly impactful and structurally anti-democratic consequences of the US Senate. Tens of millions fewer Americans voted for senators who voted to confirm Republican ‘justices than Americans who voted not to confirm them in their lifetime appointments.
That’s minority rule.
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I feel confident that we are on the same side.
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