I think the moment in time is so suspended it’s obvious the ad isn’t attempting to say that the clip shows what actually happened. The ad is obviously making a comment, not videographing history, and for what it’s worth I have to say it makes its comment well. It’s a good ad.
But it’s not worth all that much because it doesn’t change Bloomberg’s performance in the debate. It’s damage control.
… or simply used the comment that he made … and the slight moment of silence … the cut to graphics & voice over touting the merits of having made a business operational … then show campaign logo & close.
This over reach was dumb. Some over aggressive underlings will get chewed out for this.
I recall those assorted expressions. What I can’t recall is whether they were in conjunction with.this question. They were considerably nonplussed. What the edit does by showing each person sequentially is to draw out the time.
It is hard not to notice that Bloomberg’s pledge to only go after Trump has rapidly morphed into attacks on the other candidates. He has the money and employees to do this kind of rapid turnaround fake takes on everything that comes his way. Except for climate change and guns, he does not represent me in any way - but hey, let’s just shut up and eat the money. I have wanted Warren to be my president since I first heard her speak years before she ran for office.But I will take anyone, even a dreaded centrist like Amy - she would be absolutely fine with me. But Bloomberg ticks almost every hate box I have for politicians - and I feel a real fracturing of the Democratic party coming sooner rather than later.
You can’t campaign against the privilege and corruption of the ultra rich and then run one of the richest men in the country for your standard bearer. If it isn’t obscene, it is at the least one of the most tunnel visioned hypocritical moves a party of the working class could possibly make.
I am not sure that this is not an argument for Bloomberg. And no, he will not be Mudoch, he is a liberal republican, which makes him a moderate democrat. He has championed gun control, climit change, not to mention winning the house in 2018. None of these are Murdoch values last time I looked.
But he knows how to play the game. And the pitch of “I started a business, I am actually successful, unlike the conman in cheif and his 6 bankruptcy and $3Trillion in debt to give taxes cuts to people like me and warren buffet who don’t want or need it” is a good one. He did not do well in the debate, but I am not sure that those looking at him are really concerned with how he did on stop and frisk once he apologizes, nor do I think they think it’s bad he is a billionaire. In a general he will run on the fact that crime went down.
Look at the polling out today on WI, despite never being attacked by anyone, Bernie does worst comparably worse (i.e Trump does better) and this is before it gets out that Bernie is a trotskyite who honeymooned in the soviet union and supports nicolas Muduro…
BTB here is today’s Q poll of the must win state of Wisconsin:
Trump tops Senator Amy Klobuchar 50 - 39 percent;
Trump leads Senator Elizabeth Warren 51 - 41 percent;
Trump beats former South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg 49 - 41 percent;
Trump tops former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg 49 - 41 percent;
Trump defeats Senator Bernie Sanders 50 - 43 percent;
Trump is ahead of former Vice President Joe Biden 49 - 42 percent.
https://poll.qu.edu/2020-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=3656
I am paying more attention to Trump’s support, which is highest against Warren, Sanders and Klobacher (which surprises me). Getting a few points from Trump (and not loosing more to him) is going to come from the center and not the far left.
We gotta start talking about things that the american people care about, not micro issues of ferry dust and pie in the sky that the 30% of voters in the middle think is meaningless or they (M4A) oppose.
And, by the most amazing coinkydink, this is exactly how Parscale manufactures the garbage microtargeted propaganda Trump’s campaign is spewing out on Facebook, mostly under the MSM radar other than a single story in the Atlantic.
Sanders, Bloomberg and Trump together are the shrill warning tone of a democracy coding on a gurney while the ER staff text and play games on their phones or chat and laugh at each other.
We do not need a Republican billionaire with a history of sexism and racism and generating fake news in the Democratic race for president. I appreciate his philanthropy, and am appalled how much money he diverted from that just to video-campaign and parachute into the race, side-stepping the part where you mix things up with actual voters at actual campaign events.
Just my two cents, for what it’s worth ($0.02).
Wisconsin is not “must win.” But if we lose it, it means we have to pick up another state, like N.C.
Frankly, between the demographic change and the fucking over it got from the Kochtopus proconsulship of Scott Walker, I fear Wisconsin is lost to Democrats for a decade or more.
Yes, same as a Boomerang filter would.
Struck a nerve eh?
I know that the Bloomberg Troll Armies are out in FORCE today “correcting” the comments of the vast majority of Democrats who saw an unprepared, arrogant, entitled old Billionaire political chameleon, who was not accustomed to having ANY of his statements challenged to his face, fumble badly in the Tuesday night debate in Vegas.
No amount of “spin” or blizzards of out-of-context polling, or deceptively-edited Twitter video ads will paper-over his TERRIBLE debate performance where he was exposed for what he is; An entitled Plutocrat trying to BUY his way into the Presidency.
Wisconsin has vast numbers of “Northern Good’Ol Boys” outstate and has ALWAYS been more conservative than the last 30 years would indicate.
Remember, they elected Sen. Joe McCarthy TWICE, and would have re-elected him AGAIN if alcoholism hadn’t killed him first.
The Lafollete-Liberalism of the 60s-70s was an aberration historically (I know, I lived there then) so it is actually a Purple State now, with only the liberal enclaves of Madison and Milwaukee and a few other College towns like La Crosse and Eau Claire balancing out the rest of the HIGHLY conservative (but sparsely populated) outststate.
I put Wisconsin in Toss-Up category no matter who the Democratic Candidate is in 2020.
Disagree. It’s a bad ad because the editing is obvious if you saw the debate, but it’s even worse for those who didn’t see the debate, because it helps to normalize doctored videos.
The Dems won’t be able to draw outrage and attention to the inevitable doctored videos and “deep fakes” we’re about to see from Republicans, if we’re okay with someone on our side doing it. This kind of thing has to be called out as improper and immoral in a democratic election, where the truth should matter.
The time to kill this trend is right now, when it’s just getting started with the “drunk Pelosi” clip and this doctored one from Bloomberg.
I think at least a few were taken out of context from other questions. The one of Biden is the face he made every time he was trying to hear and anticipate what the moderator was asking him. Especially from Vanessa Hauc (Telemundo), where it looked like he was having trouble hearing through her fairly strong accent.
Another clue is that I think at least a few of them were looking at Bloomberg when he asked that question, not staring at the camera.
i tend to agree with your analysis. much of what i heard last night was anger and desperation from everyone except bloomberg. the “i started a business” really shut down all the “i am a capitalist” candidates.
Only if you believe that the skills required to run a successful business are identical to the skills required to run the Federal government.
This is Trump’s core failure (aside from general stupidity, narcissism and psychopathy). He thinks every negotiation is zero sum – I win, you lose, no other option. Not every business in a capitalistic society works that way, but most do. It’s a Darwinian, competitive environment.
Governments don’t work that way, especially where multiple factions have to be appeased. International relations for damn sure don’t work that way, unless you enjoy warfare as a solution.
Walker and the Kochs so thoroughly gerrymandered Wisconsin that in 2018, GOP Assembly candidates won only 45% of the overall state vote, yet have a 63 - 36 edge in seats.
The state Senate is a little better (larger districts), but 52% of the vote won 11 of 17 seats up for election in 2018.
Act 10 (union busting) and extreme techniques of voter suppression led to this. But I don’t think it will take ten years to undo this. I believe their hold is a fragile one, and GOTV can fracture that.
Nobody actually believes it’s a real talking duck in the AFLAC ads and I would maintain that only a very few severely challenged viewers of Bloomberg’s ad wouldn’t realize the spot is an advertising ploy. The obvious editing is, I would also guess, specifically intended to show that this isn’t really what happened, we’re making a point. Moreover, I’d guess that the editing was obvious (it didn’t have to be, as you know) so that the very objections you’re levying could be avoided.
I also think that you are conflating the dissemination of doctored videos that purport to be true, and with the express purpose of making people believe that they are true for political advantage, with advertising. To me advertising is something of an art form, and I make judgments of both print and media ads as such. And as advertising I’d say that this ad does make the point it was intended to make, and Bloomberg got his money’s worth.
So what if he started a company? Millions of people start companies. Who gives a shit? The economy is not a company; running the country is most definitely not like running a company. This “company” stuff is just pandering to conservative types: i.e., more pious idiocy.
What the ad does show is that Bloomberg needs to be a cartoon in order to compete. Just another arrogant rich bastard. Not much to stand on except cartoon crap. The amazing thing is that there are very many stupid people out there – on the left – that admire this prick so much they want him to be president.
Pretty much; enough of coddling Bloomberg. He’s a bad candidate who is throwing a tantrum because he was humiliated on national television. He should have never have run and instead used his billions to help with the down ballot races.