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Biden Echoes Pelosi: Bipartisan Bill Must Come In ‘Tandem’ With Reconciliation | Talking Points Memo
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The beauty of the reconciliation bill is that they can combine it with must pass items such as the FY22 budget and the Debt Ceiling extension and dare Manchin, Sinema and the GOP to stop it and thereby shutdown the government. That makes the House the “decider” on everything left on the table this year. Also, Pelosi has a 10 vote margin with the replacements for the Dem. reps who left their seats to work for Biden now, largely, in place. After ALL the SHIT the GOP has pulled including but not limited to Jan. 6th and their pathetic inaction during the pandemic, I have very hard time believing they will ever win back the suburbs. I think the Dem.s hold the House in 2022.
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I hope President Biden ensures that reconciliation has the vote of every Democrat before he signs on the dotted line.
No, I think if McConnell kills the compromise bill, Schumer will roll all of the contents back into the reconciliation bill. There is no intention of sacrificing any part of this bill to Moscow Mitch’s ego and malevolence.
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Could isn’t good enough. Biden needs a 100% guarantee. If he can’t get it he shouldn’t sign the current piecemeal bill, assuming it even passes and that’s a big if.
Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) has said that he is open to passing a second bill via reconciliation, so long as a bipartisan deal is also reached.
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The article mentions Biden’s intentions on this point.
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Manchin and The nameless Senator from AZ were standing rite next to the President. This is what they have been werking toward, and what we have been demanding. Failure to get the compromise doesn’t hurt the bigger bill. Even if the compromise fails Joe and that woman have their bipartisan victory. Both said they would vote for Reconciliation.
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Why? Why give bipartisan cover to republicans trying to burnish their moderate credentials, so they can toot that horn during their next reelection campaign? Isn’t the goal to defeat them. Just pass the whole thing via reconciliation and get it done.
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I can’t see it not failing. Aren’t there only 5 republicans in on this bipartisan deal? Where are the other 5 going to come from to overcome the filibuster it most certainly will encounter.
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The way Biden and Speaker Pelosi left it either outcome produces a reconciliation bill at the end.
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Biden was very clear - if he doesn’t have both, he won’t sign.
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To be clear, if it hasn’t been passed by both the House and the Senate, then Biden doesn’t even get a chance to “sign it”.
OTOH, if we can get it through the Senate, and then Nancy works her magic and gets it through the House, then Biden can do his voodoo that he so do so well, and then…
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Oh please. That’s lazy if not actively mendacious.
I do too. Fuck the lazy pessimism: GOTV.
Meaningless terms in DC knife-fights.
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Lazy, sure. But I think you’re presuming too much by insinuating I’m being mendacious. I do understand the reality of Manchin’s and Sinema’s political situations. And if you’re in on the actual inside baseball of these negotiations, do tell. But frankly, Sinema’s stance has been BS from DAY ONE (cf. her fellow AZ Senator), and Manchin could’ve accomplished the same thing without all of his public flirting with faux “bipartisanship.” And I say that as someone who, despite having fond memories of the actual bipartisanship exhibited by the old Senate bulls of my past, is horrified by what that goddamn turtle has done to that institution. YMMV
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They had at least 10 GOP members who said they will vote for the compromise bill. Whether McConnell will actually allow that, or whether they will use the ‘betrayal’ of the reconciliation bill to pull out, remains to be seen. Clearly, everyone knew that the Dems were / are going to two track this. So don’t believe any feigned surprise.
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It’s about slapping suburbanites that reflexively vote Republican because their daddies voted Republican with the undeniable truth that this isn’t their daddies’ Republican party and it’s OK to vote Democrat in the future.
In particular, it’s about showing the people that already crossed the line to vote for Biden over Trump that it is also OK to vote for their friendly local Democrats for House, Senate, State government, mayor, and school board. It’s about fixing the voting pattern that gave us the White House but exceedingly small margins in the House and Senate.
At least that’s my belief about what the point is.
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…because the bipartisan deal was a condition of Manchin and The Nameless Senator from AZ agreeing to be there for reconciliation.
The technical term is “Win-Win”
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Agreed, all parameters. The specifics of the above description are helpful in understanding your intent. Thanks.
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Yes, for once the D’s have built themselves a fail-safe, all the leadership is on board. The RRR’s are effectively sidelined, with the only upside for them being possibly voting for the Manchin deal so they can brag about the bacon they brought home. But knowing how shamelessly they’ll brag even without voting for it, I think it’s all going into the big recon barrel without any RRR votes in the end.
But I never forget the diversity party’s tendency to squabble a well-laid plan to death. I am hopeful, though.
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