Arkansas Inmates Allegedly Weren’t Told They Were Getting Ivermectin Pills For COVID | Talking Points Memo

Chris Cillizza’s intellect would fit neatly on the point of a pin—with room left over for his integrity.

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I get your point - I also suspect Arkansas prisons may not be the first in line for monoclonal antibodies. I am not defending his choices necessarily, but at least it looks from the outside like an effort to do the best he thought he could. With no real data to go on besides what he says, hard to make a legitimate judgment. I will grant that prison doctors are not known for their great altruism.

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Everyone here makes great fun of Arkansas and ivermectin. Perhaps you’re not aware of the many studies that show its effectiveness.

doctors are legally allowed to prescribe any approved drug for any indication they choose to - about 20% of all prescriptions are written that way. Click the link to find an analysis of ivermectin‘s effectiveness published just the summer.

Do you wanna know why the right wins so many elections. It’s because of the arrogance and superiority of so many on the left. And I am on the left and cringe when I see so many fall for the same tribal BS as folks on the right do.

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx

You want to know why the left has little respect for opinions on the right? Because one study proving what you want to believe is not good evidence. If you Google and skim, you discover that:
1: an Egyptian study with faked data has a significant impact on meta-analysis like the one you posted.
2. Studies vary in quality, combining many weak studies doesn’t make a strong study.
3. Most published, random controlled trials (RCT) ie the best study design, show weak support for Ivermectin having a weakly positive effect.

In short, a scientist taking an unbiased look at published studies does not prescribe Ivermectin.

The thing that distinguishes scam medical or health remedies is promoters who trumpet every scrap of dubious evidence in support of their claim and dismiss or ignore any evidence confounding their claim

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Do you want to know why so many people with ivermectin poisoning are occupying scarce hospital beds in high-covid states? Because of junk small-sample ivermectin “studies”, which when aggregated as in the article you linked, become meta-junk. But junk is junk.

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JIJO related to GIGO

I spent a bit of time looking at the sources. The main one


Is absurdly biased. What is bizarre to me is the PROMOTION of particular politically charged methods. Mask wearing being another. You’re engaging in a circular firing squad for sheep dewormer? Fuck me, we’re toast.
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So, a skim of the data suggests weak evidence for Ivermectin having a weak effect at best on Covid. There are a number of other treatments with much better evidence of much better results. Remsidivir, dexamethasone, and 2 more. Convalescent plasma has some positive effect. So, using Ivermectin instead of something better is a problem. Particularly, if it’s done on prisoners with limited choice and consent

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They were also promoting HCQ as a treatment.

Whatever, hunny. Whatever.

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I have to say, I’m uncomfortable with having to recognize that Uber might actually do the right thing for it’s drivers. Having said that, I can’t help but wonder if they don’t really expect it to be an issue because providers are shutting down, so they get positive publicity for very little risk.

Yes, I’m a wee bit cynical.

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Oh well. Make hay while the sun shines.

It was flying out of Denver that instilled a late- in- life fear of flying that has not left me. I fly in and out of there next month.

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The first time I flew out of Denver, the pilot warned us that he would be dealing with winds at varying speeds from all directions. That was the only time flying that I thought I might throw up.

When things leveled out, the flight attendants immediately served breakfast (yes, it was long ago and I am old). Yum.

ETA the flight in was OK and subsequent trips have not been as bad. I’ve been lucky I guess.

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Signs that it’s going to be one of those flights: “The captain has asked the cabin crew to remain in their seats for a while…”

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well obviously it’s a crime to treat someone without their consent, even in a jail. fuck him.

doesn’t mean ivermectin has no therapeutic potential of course, but it does show the kind of excellent care standards we have in our prisons eh

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