I’m willing to bet Pelosi and AOC have more common ground than many of the people posting here on TPM.
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I am a fan of AOC but caught an interview on NPR not too long ago that did not do her any favors. She seemed to think she deserved some level of deference from party leadership that other freshman reps do not. She’s going to make a lot of enemies fast if she keeps it up.
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Woodie Gutherie, not Pete Seeger.
And here is a lesser known lyric to that song:
“In the shadow of the steeple I saw my people,
By the relief office I seen my people;
As they stood there hungry, I stood there asking
Is this land made for you and me?”
Moral clarity or not?
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I know it’s fucking Woody Guthrie, dude. JFC do you actually like being ostracized?
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Women are never allowed to have spirited disagreements of any kind.
Especially if they’re intelligent.
Now, a silly cat fight with bared claws…
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Sure. It’s not a big deal to me, or an argument even. And, just for the record, I’m not into old lefty anthems. Never was. I went to a Seeger concert when I was in highschool and felt hugely out of place.
So it’s more regional with me than anything else. I do come from those parts up there and I do remember seeing the Clearwater sailing. A friend I grew up with helped build it, in fact.
And I also remember the sewer that the Hudson River was. It’s a miracle, the way the River was changed, brought back to glory. As a fisherman, I think you might appreciate that too. But it’s the River that’s mythical to me, and Seeger’s mixed up in that.
Peace.
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There are a lot of big egos in both chambers. I read a Times Magazine profile of Hillary long ago that said when she first joined the Senate she came on really strong, gonna get this done and that done, and she found she got nowhere because it didn’t work that way. So she went with the program, took a back seat, made friends and formed alliances, and eventually became an effective member. If AOC has anything to learn I’ll bet she learns it pretty quick.
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The song that you cited absolutely does not present a “a world of moral clarity…that the actual real everyday world doesn’t.”
Pete Seeger and Woodie Gutherie are American Heroes. We could use more like them today
"This Machine Kills Fascists "
The message that Woody Guthrie placed on his guitar.
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This thread needs to be more like Old Joe’s Place:
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She seems very bright.
Will she shine for a long time or flame out?
Pelosi can advise, but it’s mostly up to AOC herself.
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Now that we’ve all agreed that Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie were great liberals, can we get on with fighting the fascists?
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I hope for shine, but she came out of nowhere and became famous. And I mean famous famous. Not just government famous. It takes a unique kind of strength to not let that go to your head.
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Peace, man. Beautiful river, the Hudson. I’m sure you’ve seen the paintings it inspired that evolved into a whole movement. And yeah, if you fish and have working eyes you learn how beautiful our waters are. There’s a saying, “Trout live in pretty places.”
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That machine never killed one fascist. I’ve always found that claim particularly galling. It took a lot of tanks and planes and artillery and rifles and human bodies to kill those fascists.
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Pelosi has met, worked for, with, and against them all.
If AOC isn’t wise enough to take her counsel under serious consideration, it’s her political funeral.
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I love both of these people. Nancy is the steely-eyed leader walking a tightrope to keep her caucus together and pull off a win in 2020, while AOC is the type of Dem for which I’ve been praying for years. I suspect they will have a lot to talk about.
How about the Blue Meanies?
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There was quite a bit of antipathy towards the European Fascists within the working class, and quite a bit of support for them in the upper. Guthrie, Seeger, et al., deserve some credit for changing enough hearts and minds to give Roosevelt the political cover to enter the war. Not to discount the effects of Pearl Harbor, of course, but the folkies did a lot of grassroots work.
From a music snobbery viewpoint, I can barely stand to listen to those songs. I despise repetition, uninspired chord progressions, boring melodies, and cheap rhymes.
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Having taught martial arts for decades I can attest that it is entirely possible for a student to try and to succeed in landing a technique on the instructor, and for the instructor both to congratulate the student, and then to demonstrate firmly that the student has yet much to learn. After class we’d go out for beers. I don’t see the Speaker’s and AOC’s relationship as much different.
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